I may have just awaken my mom, so strongly she is throwing up....

by EndofMysteries 32 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • EndofMysteries
    EndofMysteries

    I did NOT want to destroy her faith. I feel very sick about this whole thing. She is married to an extremeist pharasee who is forcing her to shun me, and that I can't talk or see them unless I return to meetings and after a while proving I am sorry. She told me she that not being able to see or talk to me is making her physically ill. I am her only close 'blood' family. I tried so long and hard to get them to just leave me alone and just be family and not talk about things, I didn't want to break her faith until I had a full replacement and all answers. I could see her being suicidal and also not seeing or talking her again because of the commands of apostates being the GB. I knew if I didn't do anything now, couldn't talk or do it in the future. It was forced on me, and either she would be depressed and such from being alone and thinking I was going to die, etc, or having to spill the beans early.

    It still may not have worked, she may be too scared to ever talk to me again, may try to block it out, I don't know. But I didn't want to but both ways had bad consequences. This one will hurt and take awhile but I think she'll be happier in the long run vs not able to speak or ever see me again and her whole life that I'm doomed in God's eyes.

  • EndofMysteries
    EndofMysteries

    But I can show her scriptures on following God and getting understanding through faith and him revealing and giving spirit. I do believe my understanding and even putting together what I just did was from him.

    So yes ontop of this all, I see how much trouble one may be with God for judging and putting man above God, etc, so the timing is not what I wanted but had no choice and also can save her. Will the free gift of life be given to those who judge? The bible says those who judge will get the same judgement, every JW who is judging others as unworthly only because of not having the truth, in the judgement day will they be judged unworthly then because they themselves did not have the truth?

    Again, don't know what will happen but I think it may have woke her up. THere is also her husband to deal with, he is the real problem. She wouldn't be shunning me if not for his insistence on it.

  • rather be in hades
    rather be in hades

    understandable. i went through something similar with my mom, though my reasons weren't as pure. i didn't want to destroy her faith, but there was a lot of bad air that needed to be cleaned if we were going to have an actual relationship which we've never had. it's sad when a kid goes to one of the elders and confesses that he doesn't love his own mother.

    this is coming from my colored perspective, but i think you did the right thing. sometimes you're backed in a corner. if your mom is down in the dumps, really struggling and it's bc of the cult, why not take the shot to see if you can help her?

    i have questions about the scriptures and rebuttals, but that's gonna take some thinking lol.

    hang in there

  • EndofMysteries
    EndofMysteries

    Rather be in hades - thanks, as for questions if you mean for me sure ask away. I'll check this thread the next few days.

  • rather be in hades
    rather be in hades

    i do but like i said, i gotta think about the questions lol. those scriptures seemed tricky to navigate lol.

  • Nambo
    Nambo

    Brilliant EndofMysteries, maybe your Mother will count being able to have a relationship with you as a positive to counter-act the negatives she must be feeling.

    So, I cannot remember what the current Watchtower teaching is on this, do they claim that dead annointed JWs have allready begun ruling with Christ as Kings?

    Is Revelation 6v11 related to this were the dead annointed are told to wait a little while longer until the number is complate?, what does the Revelation Climax book say about this verse?

  • EndofMysteries
    EndofMysteries

    To navigate them, here is the logic. They quote the Matt scripture on the faithful slave. The one I quoted in Luke goes into deeper detail, not only an evil or faithful slave but 2 others as well. Then the other set is similar, about slaves being given silver and what they individually do with it then being appointed over cities. They are all obviously speaking about annointed and that either at their death or when the time comes and those who are alive are transformed, that they are sorted out into those categories.

    So all annointed on Earth right now fall into one of those catagories. And being the 'faithful and discreet' one doesn't happen or isn't known until their work is done or their death when they get raised.

    Paul himself spoke of seeking the higher calling and didn't consider himself as definitely having attained it.

    Paul also spoke of those who had begun to rule as kings when their rule hadn't started yet. Imagine what they may have been doing if they were trying to rule as kings just then.

    Paul also brings out that when the dead ones are being raised, those alive would be transformed into spirits and they all arise together.

    Those who are the 'faithful and discreet' slaves are appointed over all thigns to rule the Earth for the 1,000 year reign.

    They aren't called faithful and discreet while still alive on Earth and not already appointed over anything, they are all slaves, and each having to do work, they don't get the title until the end.

    The scriptures in 2 Tim speaking about apostates bring out how they are teaching the resurrection has already occured.

    Since it's proven in those other scriptures that those alive on Earth and those dead will begin their rule at the same time, all as spirit creatures, and since the WT teaches that the annointed were raised long ago and those alive on Earth today when they die are instantly going to heaven, that is not scriptual and matches the apostate teaching of the resurrection of the annointed having already occurred.

    Not only have they done that, but they HAVE been ruling as kings just as Paul said of the others. Look at the life Rutherford lead, mansion, nice cars, first class, and the GB of recent, nice trips, fancy cars, living like kings with all their expenses and bills paid for by everyone else. None live like Paul, poor and supporting themselves when they can, etc.

    I can't think of any rebuttals other then excuses or where else to go, I can't think of any to disprove that them being in heaven now is NOT apostate teachings or able to explain why it contradicts the scriptures.

  • EndofMysteries
    EndofMysteries

    Nambo - current teaching is they are in heaven, any annointed who die go to heaven. It's been mentioned they may be having a part in teachings at the WT, which would clearly be spiritism and communication with the dead if they weren't resurrected and still are dead.

    Rev 6:11 - the only understanding I can think of which would be in harmony with those other scriptures I listed which says the dead and living both go up at the same time would be if it means they are dead, and being told to 'rest' a little while longer means remain asleep in death, until that is done, then they would be raised.

    If they are up there literally asking, then they are already raised and that would contradict the other scriptures.

  • still thinking
    still thinking

    When destroying one's faith, no matter how well intentioned, you can easily cause major depression with the possibility of suicide. You can also push someone into cynicism leading to atheism....

    What a ridiculous comment...non belief in a god leads to atheism. Not being angry at a god, Not someone pushing you to see that your religion is false. You can still believe in a god if you must.

  • King Solomon
    King Solomon

    EOM, next time maybe it'd be a good idea to ask her if she recently ate lunch before dropping a TTATT bomb on her like that, lol!

    CS said:

    "When destroying one's faith, no matter how well intentioned, you can easily cause major depression with the possibility of suicide. You can also push someone into cynicism leading to atheism."

    Atheism? God forbid!!

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