Society interferes in marriage AGAIN.

by dmouse 18 Replies latest jw friends

dmouse

I’ve not been so angry for a long time.
The Watchtower article entitled ‘Jehovah Hates The Course of Treachery’ in the May 1st 2002 issue is a masterpiece of bullshit. There are so many points in it I feel that I should make more than one thread.
In this thread I will deal with the issue of marriage discussed from paragraph 13 onwards. Paragraph 15 warns against ‘marrying an unbeliever’ and confirms the society’s view that only Jehovah’s Witnesses will survive Armageddon, so why bother marrying someone who will die soon?
15…. Still, if the unbeliever stays in his or her unbelief, what will happen to that one when God shortly brings this system to an end?
How sick is that? How will my wife feel when she reads that? Uplifted?
Of course, Jehovah’s Witnesses have a monopoly on morals and basic kindness. Wives, husbands, how do you feel if you are not part of ‘God’s organisation’ and you read the following?
19…Happily, God’s organisation today abounds with such men who ‘assign honor to their wives.’ They do not abuse their wives physically or verbally…
Some do, I’ve seen it. I’ve also become aware of JWs who have affairs. They (JWs) are NO DIFFERENT from every other group, they do not live in a Disney-esque wonderland except in their own distorted minds. And another thing, what about all those millions of ‘pagan’ people who have no religion and who treat their spouses far better than many JWs do?
I am not a JW but I do not abuse my wife and have remained completely faithful. Am I just an anomaly? I think not. This paragraph is offensive to people like me.
Think the Society no longer stick their noses into the private lives of a married couple?
Think again:
19…They do not abuse their wives physically or verbally, do not insist on degrading sexual practices, and do not dishonour their wives by flirting with other women…Jehovah’s organisation is also blessed by having an abundance of faithful Christian wives who are loyal to God and his laws. All such men and women know what Gods hates, and they think and act accordingly.
The ‘degrading sexual practices’ are not defined but Christian men and women ‘know what God hates’ !!!!!
My God, how many marriages are going to be condemned to a life of sexual frustration because of this one stupid sentence!!! ‘I’m sorry darling, I’m not going to let you kiss my breasts because I think it’s degrading, all that foreplay stuff, and we want to be obedient to Jehovah now don’t we?’
Jehovah, the supreme God of the Universe and creator of all things and has power and intelligence beyond our understanding is of course minutely interested in what your sexual habits are - What you do in your own bedroom with your own mate is a matter of life and death.
16. Soon, Jehovah will bring this entire world into judgement. Every individual will have to answer to him for his or her beliefs and actions. “Each of us will render an account for himself to God.” (Romans 14:12) So an intriguing question at this point is: Who will survive the day of Jehovah? The third and final article in this series will take up that theme.
Who will survive the day of Jehovah? We all know the JW answer to that don’t we?
Or do we? I feel another thread coming on…
Gopher

Yes, this article is disturbing on several fronts, as you said. It seems like they keep recycling the same stuff over and over. They're still pushing this "end is near" stuff as if it were automatically true, and then go on to tell you how to behave based on that erroneous conclusion. (Similar to how in the 1940's, they told the children it wouldn't be wise to marry, based on the nearness of the end -- months away!!)
And then they enter the realm of the bedroom -- what incredible hutzpah! Why do they feel they can manipulate the lives of their readers to such an extent.
I have just lost my appetite for breakfast.
-J.R.
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Pathofthorns

Bullshit. The Society would not even write articles like this if marriages among Witnesses actually lived up to what they claim in this article.
19…Happily, God’s organisation today abounds with such men who ‘assign honor to their wives.’ They do not abuse their wives physically or verbally…
Propaganda at it's finest. If you say it enough maybe enough people will believe it. I wonder how many in less than ideal marriages will feel as they read this? And as DMouse mentioned, too bad for the unbelieving mate. I'm sure he will feel alot better about his wife's involvement with this religion after reading this article.
Path
Englishman

My giddy aunt!
No-one but no-one should interfere in someone's marriage unless they have been asked to do so. This is ourageous interference in private relationships.
Why can't the WTBTS mind their own bloody business?
Englishman.
Francois

I can remember being taken to the Kingdom Hall as far back as the early fifties. The poster above who muses about the WT containing recycled stuff is right on the mark. Thier comment about how "soon" God is going to swoop down on an unsuspecting planet and murder 99.998% of his children for not belonging to a specific cult is as old as the cult itself. I know I've heard it all my life. I really do believe in this age of computers, most of what's in the WT is the result of cut and paste.
As for having to render an account of one's life to God; He already knows all about your life and what you've done and why you did it. In fact, he knows better than you why you did any of what you did. Who is going to answer god? Not me.
I think Nixon's cabinet member, Butts was his name I think, had it right when he said of the pope's opinions about marriage, "You no playa de game, you no maka de rules."
If I want to bury my face in places on my wife where the sun never shines - all the way back to my ears, that's between us. And I felt that way ever since back in the seventies when those senile octagenerians in New York first came out with the "light" that oral sex was a no no. My wife and I went home that night and did nothing but that, just to express our disdain and disgust with what we'd just heard; well, um, I guess there were other reasons too.
Francois
NOTE TO GOVERNING BODY: You've been challenged to a debate, boys. Dont you have ANY balls?
ofcmad

Unfortunately they don't mention the Promise Keepers "movement"... Yeah, where men who are attempting their best to be christian promise to love their wives according to the scriptures. Geez.. I'd love to be at one of their mandatory indoctrinational sessions when they review this article. Then maybe I can stand up and tell them about my parents marriage...how they are currently seperated and still hold privledges.
ofcmad
anewperson

MARITAL INTIMACIES, THE REAL TRUTH: If not an adult your parents may not approve your reading this, so don't. Otherwise... in 1972 a Watchtower magazine forbade married couples from full intimacies until in 1978 countless letters made the Watchtower heads who are over Jehovah's Witnesses admit to and rescind their policy of policing the bedroom. But few JWs realize they quickly, quietly reintroduced the policy by talks rather than state it clearly in writing although for example a May 1, 2002 Watchtower magazine article vaguely as usual but pointedly said JW husbands don’t insist on “degrading sexual practices.” Not only have Watchtower Elders Elders said intimacies between husband and wife "might even lead to expulsion from the congregation;" but other clergy as in the Mormons have also called marital intimacy "unholy" although the Song of Solomon (Canticles) says:
"A garden barred in is my sister, my bride (4:12), Your skin is a paradise (13) along with all the finest perfumes and a spring of gardens, a well of fresh water, and trickling streams (14-15), Awake O north wind and come in O south wind. Breathe upon my garden. Let its perfumes trickle. Let my dear one come into his garden and eat its choicest fruits. (16) "Eat O companions! Drink and become drunk with expressions of endearment... I have put off my robe. How can I put it back on? (5:1,3) "His cheeks are like a garden bed" (13), his lips are lilies dripping with liquid myrrh (13), everything about him is altogether desirable...my boy companion. (16) "My own dear one has gone down to his garden..to shepherd among the gardens and to pick lilies. I am my dear one's (6:2-3), To the garden of nut trees I had gone down to see the buds in the torrent valley (11). I am my dear one's and toward me is his craving (7:10), by our entranceways there are all sorts of the choicest fruits. (13)" Besides which Psalm 5:15 reads "Drink water out of your own cistern and tricklings out of the midst of your own well."
In March 2002 news erupted of rampant pedophilia coverups among Roman Catholic priests, Hare Krishnas, JWs, LDS, all groups with male-only clergy (read Romans 16:1) and decision-making from top-down rather than locally based. Perhaps leaders of such groups refine by fire those members who have natural marital intimacies because they themselves are busy-bodies with pedophilia they try to hide?
Christians only naturally desire to please their mates while thinking about loving them, not to do anything unnatural, for indeed God Himself has programmed us to desire enjoyable sex to help fulfill His will that we have joy and bond all the better with a common result being the additional joy of having children. So, indeed, let no imperfect man or organization come between married couples for such violates the sanctifying state of matrimony given to us by God Himself. Please feel free to make and use copies of this.
William Penwell

What a load of crap:
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19…Happily, God’s organisation today abounds with such men who ‘assign honor to their wives.’ They do not abuse their wives physically or verbally…
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I also know personally of how my ex brother in law, a "good" elder would physically and verbally abuse his wife and kids.
Will
"I am quite sure now that often, very often, in matters concerning religion and politics a man's reasoning powers are not above the monkey's."
Mark Twain
DakotaRed

Don't forget, since Sept 11, we are showing what may turn into another major war. Wars and Watchtower prophecy of gloom and doom seem to fit hand in hand. They can use it to "speculate" that Jehovah is bearing down on the earth at this minute and sucker more people into their confines.
Of course, they will remian "neutral," while lauding and condemning both sides, as the need fits their cultic purpose.
I only wish more would see through the rosey colored glasses the Watchtower puts on them with this article. I mentioned this article this morning to the wife and both her and her youngest daughter informed me that I was obvioulsy misreading the quotes (They haven't received thier copies just yet).
Amazing how uptight they get when you try to show the hypocrisy contained within their own literature. They will condemn all other relgions and when pointed out that the dubs are exactly the same way, excuse it as human imperfection.
As they left to attend their latest bout of heavy brainwashing, I was told, "maybe one day you will see what you have done." I take that to mean that the wife has condemned me to die soon, at armegeddon. If it ever does come, I think maybe she will realize what she has done.
If God's Spirit is filling a Kingdom Hall, how is it that Satan can manuever the ones within that Kingdom Hall at the same time?
William Penwell

I blame the break up of my marriage on the Jdubs. My wife would not do anything intimate without the elders approval. It got to the point that it was a turn off to have sex with her, if every move was being critiqued by the elders. All I could think of while having sex, was the face of that shriveled up old fart of an elder. I eventually was forced to go outside of our marriage to fulfill that missed intimacy but I was the one that was made out as the bad guy. That’s why as far as I am concerned WT can kiss my ass.....
Will
"I am quite sure now that often, very often, in matters concerning religion and politics a man's reasoning powers are not above the monkey's."
Mark Twain

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