by Nicolas 13 Replies latest jw experiences
I don't want to put to much pressure on her because I know that she might
consider me as an apostate if I do this but, I would like to help her because I had a chat with her today and she told me that she is always tired and she never have time to relax. How can I get its mind to wake up and discover the real thuth?
We become more attuned to the human condition when we recognize that God is not going to fix our problems.
Randy's site at least has a gazillion links for helping get JW's out.
'freeminds' at bottom of page. Also, go to your public library, there are probably a tom of books on cult exiting.
'Helping' someone out of the JW's usually takes 2-4 years.
You ain't got that time, then don't drop that dime!!
UADNA-US (Unseen Apostate Directorate of North America-United States)
Ah yes, the "happiest people on earth" complaining about how tired and burdened they feel. Funny, isn't it?? Try comparing Jesus' way with the way of the "scribes and Pharisees"....
"Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am mild-tempered and lowly in heart, and you will find refreshment for your souls. For my yoke is kindly and my load is light." - Matthew 11:29, 30.Gosh, with all those big leather book cases that the elders have... it really makes you see them for what they really are."The scribes and the Pharisees have seated themselves in the seat of Moses. Therefore all the things they tell you, do and observe, but do not do according to their deeds, for they say but do not perform. They bind up heavy loads and put them upon the shoulders of men, but they themselves are not willing to budge them with their finger. All the works they do they do to be viewed by men; for they broaden the [scripture-containing] cases that they wear as safeguards, and enlarge the fringes [of their garments]." - Matthew 23:2-5
By the way - guys??? - how BIG was your briefcase/bookbag when you were a JW?? Curious minds want to know.
Love, Scully
UADNA-C (Unseen Apostate Directorate of North America-Canada)
I think you said it best...
I don't want to put to much pressure on her because I know that she might
consider me as an apostate if I do this but
so just go very slow. Ask her what gets under her skin at times. But I know this from personal experience, if you push even a tiny bit, they slide backwards even faster. After all they've been warned about saying anything negative about the borg.
Oh and don't use "borg" either
Best of luck
Never Squat With Yer Spurs On
Nic,
Im in the same situation.
My family are all witnesses.
Im also afraid if I push much harder they will totally distance themselves from me. Im already suspect because I have a hard time keeping quiet when they get preachy. I know they all talk about me being on the road to self distruction etc.
Its hard when everything is so apparent to me but they still have blinders on.
Is is true to say that the best way to destroy their argumentation is to use the only one book they really trust (the Bible)? I know we can prove almost anything using this book, so we can show them that the Bible is not as accurate as they believe.
We become more attuned to the human condition when we recognize that God is not going to fix our problems.
Hi Nicolas
Actually I am in a similar position to you. My younger sister is still in the borg...and my younger brother. My older brother left first, then followed by me. And after a while my younger brother became inactive...and now my sister is inactive. When I first left...my sister went very staunch...and she shunned me and went hard out in building up her spiritual armour. I kept away and respected her stand as a dub. It was over a period of 12 months that we finally talked to each other again...and during this time she grew to resent the hypocrisy in the congregation...and although she didn't feel ready to leave...she didn't feel compelled to stay either. We eventually started corresponding again...and before we knew it we were back to our old selves with each other...except we no longer talked about the 'truth'.
I desperately want her out of the borg...but I have to be careful...she still 'believes'...and for as long as she still 'believes'...she will view me as an apostate. So...I drop little hints here and there...reminding her of the hypocrisy that she already is aware of. As for the teachings being false...I am yet to address that...one step at a time. I agree with LB....its going to be slow and gradual....for my part...I'm just keeping her busy with distractions...as well as reminding her of things in the borg that already upset or annoy her.
Good luck with your quest.
Beck
Nic,
I know all to well.
All I do at this point is point out scriptures that prove them wrong. But they always have an explanation. Even if its "well we just dont take that literal". Puhleeease! Im like, "so you take the first sentence literal but not the second"? One of my uncles once asked me "who have you been talking to". Freaked me out! Im like "I've just been reading the bible". Yea' right. And every website and book I can find on the history of Jehovahs witnesses. Good luck with your sister. Im lucky. At least My sister listened to me. She was upset but shes pretty smart so it didnt take her long to realize the truth about the Org.
The worst thing to do is to get into doctinal discussions...two reasons:
1) they can be Jehovah's Witnesses and be in total disagreement with all the major doctrines. (Catholics do that too)
2) they can leave the Watchtower and carry all the doctines with them. (happens on this board all the time. )You do not want this.
The best way is to find non-doctrinal issues they can relate to.
1) why can't women carry microphones? yet it's okay for them to clean toilets? same woman, same Kingdom Hall. Why can't women do the reading at the bookstudy, taking it in turns with the men? That isn't 'teaching'.
2) Does it seem fair that women should be expelled/shun for not resisting a rape when, in the scriptural citation, the woman was a virgin, in a field, was an Israelite under a law that only applied to israelites. Most of the time those circumstances don't apply; so why is only the screaming part literal.
3) We are supposed to keep the memorial until Jesus comes again; he came in 1914. Shouldn't we have stopped then?
Stuff like that. There's a lot more stuff like that. And pretend it's a conversation your having with someone else and you 'need her help'.
UADNA-US (Unseen Apostate Directorate of North America-United States)
Oh yes, your question really make sense. It would be good to ask them why they always say that only the Jehovah Witness will be save while Jesus never said that.
We become more attuned to the human condition when we recognize that God is not going to fix our problems.
