Is there now a HUGE gulf between most R&F and the Elders ?

by Phizzy 18 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  Phizzy

  This was a question that sprang to my mind as I watched Raypub's (Eric's) J.C video. Can't wait for the rest of it by the way !

  It was so obvious that all those on that J.C, like I would think 99.9% of Elders , put loyalty to the GB/WT before Jehovah, Jesus the Bible or Truth.

  They are simply company men through and through.

  The average R&F JW seems to me to believe they are serving God, and that comes higher on their list than the WT, you can see this by the way they pick and choose which of the myriad rules they obey. The average JW, if you point out that something is scripturally wrong will not want to support that thing, this is assuming you can actually get them to listen and agree, but those Elders , like most around the Globe, did not give a fig for what is scripturally right or morally right, it simply had to be as the WT dictates or nothng.

  Does this not constitute a widening gulf between the Hierarchy and the R&F ?

  I do hope so, when Governments lose touch with the electorate they weaken and fail, even if they do not provoke a revolution, the same could be true for the WT.
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  hoser

  sometimes the elders pick and choose what they believe. they just don't advertise it
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  maninthemiddle

  Most rank and file think more about the org than you would believe, try telling them you don't believe In Jehovah, then tell them you don't agree with the GB, I believe the later will get a stronger reaction with most.
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  wannabefree

  I somewhat agree, most members avoid a Judicial confrontation so never have to experience the reality of God vs. Organization, a similar thought came to my mind when watching Eric's tribunal.

  The cards are stacked, the elders are appointed by the corporation to carry out it's policies, that is the only possible outcome no matter what evidence the accused presents against that corporation.

  As for the comment ...

  Governments lose touch with the electorate they weaken and fail

  The Government of the JW Organization is fully self-appointed and everyone serving below serve and can be removed at the discretion of the self-appointed. The only way to exercise your vote is to leave.
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  Phizzy

  MITM, I agree if you used that method, you would flag "Apostate" straight away. But what I mean't was in their real selves.

  In their real selves they do not think of themselves as serving men and then Jehovah, but as serving Jehovah as explained by men he has chosen, and then only listening to what they think plainly comes from God, not just the thoughts of men.

  These Elders though have really sold their soul to the WT Org. 100%, I don't see the average JW as having done that, though they have sold their soul to a big degree true, they will consult the "Societies" view on matters not just the Bibles'.

  "The only way to exercise your vote is to leave", true Wannabee, true of all Totalitarian regimes.
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  XBEHERE

  I find that it depends on the elder. Back in my kiss ass heyday as an elder I was a total WT/FD&S goon and if you as a R&F member didnt measure up you were beneathe me.

  Later as I became more moderate and started to realize that being an elder is a political office only I eased up tremendously. Now I truly consider myself trapped as an elder due to pressure from wife and other family members. I hate it and I decline "privileges" as much as I can, I try to treat all with respect, and the other elders are slowly getting tired of me. lol.. I can only hope that soon stab me in the back and I can sit back and do jack squat.
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  aposta-Z

  My hypothesis is that elders will behave differently and assume a different rôle in such situations.
  In my few JCs , the elders always turn to their "from the platform" voice and mannerism. And that personna is loyal to the WTB&TS inc.
  They all become rigid and cold. Almost non human.
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  hoser

  maybe this should be a new topic but why are 3 elders needed for a jc? I bet if it was one or two elders Eric could have convinced him/them but 3 gives more social pressure for the ELDERS to conform to the WT rules
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  aposta-Z

  hoser :
  And if one prevails against him, two shall withstand him; and a threefold cord is not quickly broken -Ecc 4.12
  
  lol. Sadly I cannot get this stuff out of my head.
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  RayPublisher

  Interesting topic Phizzy! One thing I've seen is that there is a gulf betweeen what the R&F are taught and what they ACTUALLY believe, as brought out by the video I did on "Is Jesus your Mediator?"

  I asked the elders that question later in the JC, and they can't simply answer, "Jesus", they have to qualify it with, "Jesus in association with the FDS is our mediator." ...Whereas most r&f publishers would simply say "Jesus".

  Of course the WT pubs say that ONLY those that sip the wine have Jesus as their mediator. So to me, more and more are following their conscience, at least on little things, and so the gulf grows wider between "official teachings" and what members really think and believe. Eventually maybe it will be enough to force change inside the WT, but who knows...