Are Jehovah's Witnesses Damned?

by Cold Steel 15 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  ilikecheese

  Never been a JW, just your regular non-denominational Christian my whole life. I personally think, from numerous Bible readings, that all that's really required for guaranteed salvation is to accept and confess Christ as savior and to repent of your sins. I also feel that any good people who had no faith in God or Christ will also be saved on the day of judgment. Maybe I'm too starry eyed or naive, but I feel that only genuinely bad people will be in hell.

  I honestly feel that it doesn't matter what denomination you are, either. I used to, but when I became a more liberal-type Christian and REALLY read the Bible, I changed my mind. And I try not to associate with any church that says "so and so is going straight to hell!" Since you're judged with the same judgment that you put toward others, does that mean that those pastors are all going straight to hell?
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  designs

  It seems funny now looking back on those days in Service when the Evangelicals would tell me I was going to hell and I thought they'd be toast at the Big A.
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  Rudolf

  Firts of all, there is no 'eternal torment',' burning hell' or 'eternal punishing' in the Bible as many believe. I do not believe in a God who is torturing, tormenting, burning someone, who lived for 70+, 80+ or 90+ yeras on earth, in hell for ever and ever, but rather I believe in a God of love who does not delight in the death of anyone; however, the Bible tells us about an 'eternal punishment', which means God will destroy the wicked on the day of Judgement. Rev. 20:12-15 and 21:8. Alos, in Malachi 4:3 we read, I quote: "And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts." (KJV)

  In Rev. 12:17 and 14:12 we read, I quote: 12:17 - "And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ." and 14:12 - "Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and have the faith of Jesus." And in Deut. 30:15, 16 we read, I quote: "15. See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil; 16. In that I command thee this day to love the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgements, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the LORD thy God shall bless the in the land whither thou goest to possess it." (KJV)

  Before God there are no religions but rather two ways: the way that leads to eternal life and the way that leads to eternal death (second death, Rev. 20:14). In John 14:6, 15 we read, I quote: "6. Jesus said unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. 15. If ye love me, keep my commandments."

  The JWs are not 'damned', nobody is damned yet; while probation is still running, while the door is still open, we can choose to have eternal live. But, if we do not do the will of the Father, if we do not keep His commandments and have the faith of Jesus, we are going to be damned for ever.
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  man oh man

  Well, most Jw's don't put their faith in Jesus but rather in the organization. Second problem is that the Bible teaches that we will be judged on the basis we judge others. So in a sense we are judged according to how judgemental we are of others, this puts most jw's in a bad spot. In the end though obviously God will judge and we can't really say.
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  Rudolf

  Firstly, there is no man or organization that can save us apart from Jesus who is our Saviour; secondly, we shouldn't be judgemental toward others, we should love everybody even our enemies and do whatever we can to led others to Christ. Mat. 7:1-5
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  WTWizard

  Yes. Once you dedicate your soul to Jehovah, you are dragged through a 9 step ritual that binds your soul. You make the dedication (step 1), go through 5 interrogation sessions one hounder at a time (steps 2-6), undergo 2 hounders' meetings to discuss your eligibility for baptism (steps 7,8--behind your back), and once more at the pool (step 9). The number 9 is for endings (of your life outside being dedicated). Black magick is also used to bind your soul to Jehovah, assisted by the filthy angels.

  And this damnation is as true whether you later become a Christian, become atheist, or become a spiritual Satanist. Once your soul is bound to Jehovah, it is no longer free to dedicate to Jesus, Allah, Satan, or yourself. You might become emotionally free from the doctrine, you might even disassociate yourself from the religion and become an atheist and forget about it. However, once you are fully dedicated and go through the whole 9 step process, you are bound forever (this doesn't apply to those who fail to follow through or who snake on some of the steps, since it takes all 9 parts to bind you). You might die having forgotten totally about it.

  However, that part on the astral (where the filthy angels took it) is still there. This damns you in the next life, and forever after. There are a few so-called Christian religions that worship Jehovah (hybrid Jewish/Christian). There is Judaism. I am not aware of any hybrid Jewish/Muslim or Jewish/pagan religions that worship Jehovah). You return in a Jewish household, or in a household where the parents are strong in the hybrid religion or cult. You are always discontented with your religion, yet you are somehow not able to fully extricate yourself from it. You become that little child that gets baptized at age 6 and then pious-sneers, miserably, until death. You become that orthodox Jew that somehow doesn't fit in--longing to celebrate Christmas as the Gentiles do. Or, you become that child in a new Jehovah-worshiping cult that is always miserable.

  Note that this doesn't all apply to those who studied, became unbaptized publishers, and never got baptized. Those people waste their lives, they are often responsible for ruining others' lives, they often waste their whole lives doing field circus, yet somehow they are not bound. It also doesn't apply to those who somehow got baptized without passing all 9 parts (perhaps they only got 3 interrogation sessions, they snaked on their personal dedication, or they wimped out at the last minute). I definitely think, for this reason, people should not get dedicated to any god without doing full research in what they are getting into. Does that god demand absolute blind obedience? Are there too many rules and restrictions? What happens when you break your dedication? If fear, shame, and guilt are commonly used to keep people in line, you should do much more research using independent sources--if that is not allowed, you are probably headed for damnation.