Great Crowd Or Anointed...Your Choice!

by Cold Steel 13 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Cold Steel
    Cold Steel

    You're a Jehovah's Witness in good standing. You have a choice of being one of the "great crowd" or being anointed. Your choice? And why?

    And is being one of the anointed class something one can aspire to? In short, let's say being a member of one or the other is something you really want. You can be a physical being living on a lush, green earth...forever...or being an ethereal spirit for all eternity. If the latter, I suppose if not a choice, it's something that's revealed to you by the Holy Spirit. No one at the Kingdom Hall can dispute it or challenge it. And of course you partake of the emblems once a year.

    Trouble is, you're not one of the anointed ones. You made a mistake. What happens? Let's say you really wanted to be one of the resurrected spirits. Are you punished for thinking you were one of the anointed?

    I wish someone would explain the politics of being in the anointed class. When someone partakes of the emblems, is there any talking behind someone's back, open talk doubting it, etc.? And if you could be an elder for the rest of your life or being in the anointed class, what would your choice be? If you are one of the anointed, will you be able to visit loved ones on the earth by materializing a body? And what will be the duties of the anointed ones?

    In fact, what will the duties of the great crowd be? What will they do forever, and will they have any super powers? Does anyone ever kick these things around the old Kingdom Hall? Chew the old Watchtower fat?

  • Cold Steel
    Cold Steel

    Oh, c'mon. You don't have to be a JW to answer this. Just tell me what you'd prefer? Certainly the folks who are members would have discussed this, and there's bound to be some criticisms of some people partaking of the emblems. Are elders generally regarded of being of the leadership class.

  • NOLAW
    NOLAW

    If really exists a choice: I don't care.

  • grumblecakes
    grumblecakes

    oh, i thought you were gonna ask who would win in a fight...

  • Bobcat
    Bobcat

    In fact, the choice (anointed or great crowd) is, Biblically speaking, a false one. Kind of like asking, 'Do you want to be American or do you want to be human?' Jesus said that being 'born of water and spirit' was a necessity to "see the kingdom" or "enter the kingdom." (John 3:1-8)

    Of course, the WT does present this as a choice. But in practical terms, they have done their level best to hint and nudge a person towards the latter (great crowd) option as the only one available to a reasonable person.

    I can tell you from experience that partaking of the emblems becomes 'the elephant in the room' that no one talks about. And the explanation that JWs find the most unfathomable is, "I'm just doing what I was told to do." (Mt 26:26-28; Lu 22:19, 20) If you look at 1Co 11:23-26, this was Paul's reason. He 'received these instructions from the Lord' and was 'handing it on' to the Corinthians. It is as simple as that, unless you're eyes are veiled by the WT.

    Part of the irony (to me) is that the WT puts alot of emphasis on 'doing what we tell you.' But if you simply do what Jesus tells you, you are, in the eyes of the WT, marked as unreasonable.

    And I might add, one's rating as being in 'good standing,' after partaking, gains an asterisk with it.

  • Cold Steel
    Cold Steel

    Well, I agree that there aren't two classes in the resurrection. But if the Jehovah's Witnesses were right about there being an earthly and heavenly class, let's face it. Being stuck on a planet where you get to walk around in a garden paradise forever and ever wouldn't be my idea of a great way of spending an eternity. As a spirit, however, you can travel amongst the stars at the speed of thought, perhaps take part in the creation of other worlds, materialize a body and learn the secrets of the universe.

    Meanwhile, on Earth, people get up, go hiking, biking travel to the moutains or visit beaches with white sand and green, cool waters. They'll have family reunions, have block parties and eat whatever they want without worrying about gaining weight. But even all this would grow old after two or three hundred years or so.

    Since I've never darkened the door of a Kingdom Hall, I don't know whether they ever talk about which class they'd like to be resurrected to. Is it bad form to aspire to the spirit class? And if you did partake of the emblems, would anyone ever say, "Psssst...did you see old Jimbo take the emblems today? Who does he think he is?" Or if you go to a Sunday School class and say, "Man, I'd like to be one of the spirit class. How cool would zipping around the galaxy as a spirit be!"

    Or perhaps they never even discuss it. But can someone fill me in?

  • perfect1
    perfect1

    Ok, I will answer this, but briefly. there is plenty written here on JWN about it.

    Search for annointed. But in short:

    1. Yes partaking is considered wacky behavior, especially by women.

    2. Heaven is never described as recreational as you interpreted it.

    3. No one aspires to be a spirit in heaven. Paradise earth is the default as there are no more spots (only 144,000) in heaven.

    4. Those who consider themselves of the annointed class- and are considered legit by others- are likely in some serious position of authority.

  • grumblecakes
    grumblecakes

    perfect1,

    umm what do u mean "especially women"?

  • rip van winkle
    rip van winkle

    I've lived in a JW fantasy world for 20 years. I've woken up and don't intend to go back to sleep. Sorry, Cold Steel, I can't play this game.

  • Cold Steel
    Cold Steel

    Rip Van Winkle is apparently bitter about spending twenty years as part of the Watchtower crowd, and I don’t blame him. Everyone has their story and some people leave angry and others just kind of wonder how they could have bought into it for much of their lives. Still others are active members and are convinced that it’s “The Truth.” If the religion fills a need for some, I can’t fault them. But those who believe its God’s true organization tend to feel a bit superior to those in other religions.

    Others, though, like evangelicals, feel a need to rescue those in the JW religion because 1) they feel like they’re deceived and 2) they believe that if they’re not rescued, they will spend an eternity in HELL. BTW, they also feel duty bound to rescue Mormons and Seventh Day Adventists for the same reason.

    Partaking is considered wacky behavior, especially by women.

    Don’t know why women would be singled out. I’d think men would aspire to the leadership position that the anointed-class represent. Anyway, the anointed class is smaller and, to me, more desirable due to their spiritual natures and potentials.
    Heaven is never described as recreational as you interpreted it.

    Hmmm…how is it interpreted? I merely projected the likely potentials of such beings. To think that these spirits would reach a certain point and then remain stagnant doesn’t make much sense. Technically, having two classes of resurrections really doesn’t make much sense from a practical view and certainly makes no sense from a scriptural view. But all religions delve into the Bible, make their best guesses as to what the scriptures mean and then publish their exegeses. And if you really need the credibility, you convince the sheep that the interpretations are somehow inspired, but not revealed. Inspiration can be altered later as “new light.” Revelation can’t. So the fact that JWs are the ONLY Christian sect that so interprets these scriptures doesn’t mean a thing. They have, after all, The Truth.
    No one aspires to be a spirit in heaven. Paradise earth is the default as there are no more spots (only 144,000) in heaven.

    Really? You mean no one ever talks about it? No one ever expresses a preference?

    Paradise Earth may be the default; however, I don’t know that there are no more spots left in the heavenly class. Most biblical scholars say that the numbers are more symbolic than literal. JWs apply “spiritual” interpretations to most of the New Testament prophecies, which is why their views of Armageddon and soul sleeping are so stilted.

    Those who consider themselves of the anointed class—and are considered legit by others—are likely in some serious positions of authority.

    Now that’s something I didn’t know. I always wondered (and still do) how legitimacy is established. Still, I don’t think the church would stop anyone from partaking of the sacramental emblems whatever they think of a person’s legitimacy.

    I’ve always been fascinated by this strange doctrine of the two classes of resurrection. And of course I have my own interpretations on which would be better if I did believe it (and I don’t). But what members and former members say is important in what they think, or thought, about the two classes. I find it hard to believe that no one ever thinks of which class might be better. Doesn’t anyone there have a sense of humor or intellect? Yeeesh!

    Anyway, thanks for the answers!

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