I was HAPPY as a JW! How did I end up here? Pt 2

by MC RubberMallet 24 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Vidiot
    Vidiot

    Meadow36 - "...the Revelation Book started me questioning things ever so slightly. I remember sitting in bookstudy thinking "How the HELL did they come up with THAT?!..."

    Despite its "international" focus, the WT is, at its core, an extremely American religion.

    As a result, most of Fred Franz's End-Times script was formulated in the 50s and 60s, with a lot of ideas having their origins in mid-20th-Century American right-wing conspiracy theory (there was a lot more cross-pollinization of ideas between apocalyptic millennialist groups back then).

    For example, the UN being the wild beast (in Franz's eschatology) was very similar to the fundagelical idea that the Antichrist's One-World government would be formed from the UN. I suppose a lot of conservative Christians found it genuinely plausible; after all, the Right Wing has always been extremely suspicious of socialism, and significant portions of the UN Charter were drafted by Europeans with Soviet connections (remember McCarthy's "godless communism" paranoia?). From there, it wouldn't have been much of a stretch for Franz to conclude that the "King of the North" was the USSR, and by extension, the "King of the South" must be the US and UK. The Soviet regime's crackdown on JWs could have only reinforced that conclusion.

    I was kinda surprised when the Rev book was studied one last time back in '06, considering some of the problems the script has nowadays:

    - The Soviet Union collapsed over 20 years ago and the role of the King of the North has still not been recast yet.

    - Religious freedoms in the West are staunchly protected by international law, rather than repressed, while at the same time, overt religiosity is quietly fading away, rather than being violently crushed.

    - The UN Security Council is virtually powerless to enforce any resulution, let along coordinate a global campaign against "Babylon the Great". The "Wild Beast" has become little more than a forum for debate, where any superpower has veto authority.

  • finally awake
    finally awake

    Meadow36, Harold Camping was a preacher who went around telling people that world was going to end on some specific date last year. It didn't happen, and then he died (I think). So his claim to have special insight into the Bible and an ability to tell when the end would come were patently false.

    As for Google, it's a search engine. You type www.google.com in the address bar where it currently says www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/239394/2/I-was-HAPPY-as-a-JW-How-did-I-end-up-here-Pt-2. Then you get a screen that says "Google" over an empty box. You can type anything into that box and Google will search the internet to find sites that contain the words you typed.

    If you are pulling my chain, so be it. I won't hold a grudge.

  • Christ Alone
    Christ Alone

    Me: Right. So other religions make false predictions, it proves Jehovah is not using them. We make false predictions, it means we're overzealous, but humble. Other religions join UN, they're having sex with the wild beast, touching the unclean thing. We join the UN, for a library card, and it's ok. Additionally, if I personally got a card to the YMCA, no reason is nobe enough, I'd be disfellowshipped for apostacy. Other religions hide pedophilia. We keep in quiet to not profane Jehovah's name. Other religions install ATM's, we print it in our mags to show how disgusting they are. We install debit card machines a year later, "keeping up with technology". Other religions change doctrine, it's because they follow man's opinion (for reference, please see April 22, 1970 Awake! Changes That Disturb People). We change doctrine because Jehovah is leading us. And he was leading us to the wrong doctrine in the first place? MAN, WE ARE SOME HYPOCRITES!!!!

    Wow...that was the single best argument I've heard in years. WELL DONE!!!

  • MC RubberMallet
    MC RubberMallet

    Rip Van Winkle - !

    Nuthouse Escapee - It is amazing what we can do with knowledge when we start viewing things objectively rather than subjectively.

    Never A JW - Yea, the "we are humble" remarks makes JWs squeal!

    Tater-T - Thanks for reading!

    Satanus - I would say that is an accurate observation! I thought it was the truth, but JW's didn't live up to it. At first, I justified it. At some point, if a person loves truth, they will see the falsehoods.

    Thinking_not_believing - You were 18/19?! That's awesome. While I don't necesarily regret my years, life would be so much different if I saw through it earlier.

    Bryan - Thanks for reading!

    blindnomore - Your welcome!!

    Witness My Fury - I'm on it!

    Jookbeard - Yea, we don't talk anymore, but I respect that man for keeping his word

    WuzLovesDubs - Even their views on hypocrisy is hypocritical!

    SophieG - No hijack, I enjoyed your post! Rings true unfortunately...

    Meadow36 - PM me! I would love to talk! Or I can send you my email. As for your son, please please please read Combatting Cult Mind Control by Steve Hassan asap!... oh, yea the Revelation book was crazy!

    cobaltcupcake - I wish post it asap! I didn't realize how long it would be to type out! Lol

    BlueBrother - I was very hesitant about posting my story, but I felt if it could be of use to anyone, then I should. So by all means! And let us know how it goes...

    Vidiot - I remember JWfacts had a chart showing the similarities between religions that started at the time. I should print it out for reference....

    Finally Awake - He hasn't died yet, but did suffer a stroke right after his failure... I remember reading the stories of some that followed camping and sold EVERYTHING to travel to CA where they would be saved or something. No one who isn't genuine wouldn't do that unless they believed it. JW's view others as gullible and stupid, but they themselves are just humble....lol.

    Christ Alone - Thanks!

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