by OneDayillBeFree 35 Replies latest jw experiences
I do not understand why people continue to say I use insults and ad hominem attacks when I do nothing of the sort.
For the same reason you continually dismiss people's personal experiences as fictitious when they don't paint the picture of spiritual paradise you want to believe exists among the JWs. You just can't help yourself.
I do not understand why people continue to say I use insults and ad hominem attacks when I do nothing of the sort.
Seriously? How can you possibly not see the thread you created with the title: "Jwfacts-- More Lies But This Time About The Great Crowd" as anything other than an attack on his viewpoint/intepretation? You've done a stellar job of lying to yourself.
Point noted ChristAlone. I will refrain from the use of the word apostate. I will simply use the term ex JW. Is that fair?
So if we can now call interpretations lies where does that leave the wt$ with their many changed interpretations?
For the same reason you continually dismiss people's personal experiences as fictitious when they don't paint the picture of spiritual paradise you want to believe exists among the JWs. You just can't help yourself.
Who/what are you referring to? Candace Conti?
I will refrain from the use of the word apostate.
No, that's not the entire problem. Yes, it's an insulting term, but it's the attitude behind it. It's the attitude that EVERYTHING that someone that disagrees with the WTS says is "diseased". It causes one to dismiss every single point the other person makes, and not consider them. You have a point to prove and NOTHING the other person says has any validation.
I've seen it on the Great Crowd thread. You can't concede to a single point. EVERYTHING that is different from the Watchtower is invalid. They are right about everything.
Recovery, you have to acknowledge that if the Watchtower changed their view about something, you would fight just as hard to try and prove that they are NOW right and were not right before. It has nothing to do with your own research. On this site you are just attempting to repeat what the Watchtower currently teaches. You did not come to this knowledge based on your own research of the Bible. You take what they teach and your goal is to repeat it. You are not trying to verify that you are believing the right thing. You aren't asking, "Is what they are saying true?" No, you are saying "This is true" and then you are trying to repeat it no matter what arguments are valid or not.
Why is it that nearly every greek scholar has stated that it is impossible that the Great Crowd spoken of in Revelation is on earth? There are NO greek scholars at the Watchtower. Yet you would prefer to go with the high school graduates with no college rather than the people that know what they are talking about.
The interesting thing on the Great Crowd thread is that we ALL used to believe what you are saying. We used the EXACT SAME "FACTS" that you are trying to use. But most of us have seen that this was a twisting of scripture and showed a complete lack of knowledge of Greek and simple hermeneutics. I still don't know why the society does not understand how to interpret scripture, or other literature for that matter. Look up hermeneutics on the WT library. It's not there. That's because they don't know how to interpret scripture. They only know how to use "proof texts" and argue those single texts.
For the same reason you continually dismiss people's personal experiences as fictitious when they don't paint the picture of spiritual paradise you want to believe exists among the JWs. You just can't help yourself.
Who/what are you referring to? Candace Conti?
Among other things. Your words on a previous thread:
Yes. Please proceed with the fictitious CO stories. They are even more hilarious than the Bethel tales.
I do not think that is fair ChristAlone. How would you know my attitude behind what I am saying? Especially if i'm not using derogatory and extremely insulting language that is often employed on this forum. It is not my viewpoint that the WT is 100% correct on everything and that everything that is in opposition to the WT must be false and is of no validation. If I thought that, do you really think I would have ever read jwfacts website. Or Towerwatch. Or jeffro's blog. Or Don Cameron's book. Or (as im the current process) of reading Ray Franz's books. Or watching AllTimeJeff's Youtube videos. Or reading all the stories on SilentLambs and also Barbara Anderson's website.
It has everything to do with my OWN research. I am not your average JW who just reads the WT Publications and concludes that everything is 100% right. Because of my own doubts in the past I research and still am in the process of researching EVERYTHING. From the original greek texts to the references used in support of doctrine.
I do not think that is a fair assessment of who I am, how I think, or how I act. Anymore than it is fair for me to call all apostates liars, mentally diseased, and so forth because that is not the case for many ex JW's.
Sticking to the facts..
One thing I learned after retesting jw doctrine was that the only facts I know, are those which are obtained by personal, scentific studies!
You can have theory about any thing in life. But if you cannot analyse, test and evaluate your hypothesis with personal observations and findings, there is no way you can talk about facts.
Anyone can start up today! Wanna test mcdonalds diet? Go ahead. Wanna check out how lying works? Test it on your co workers. Wanna find out why old people trip and fall and end up with a broken hip. Yup, interview them!
My point; if we only read others ideas and make the our own "truth" and guidlines in life, we are mislead. We all have our journey. Beeing intellectual honest is a struggle. Doing our own scentific studies in life is demanding but nescessary! Whatever path we choose, it should be with humility and love!
Love bro Healthworker
It is not my viewpoint that the WT is 100% correct on everything and that everything that is in opposition to the WT must be false and is of no validation.
That's great to hear! Honestly. If you come to these conclusions based on your own study of the Bible, then that's awesome. Truly.
I do not think that is a fair assessment of who I am, how I think, or how I act. Anymore than it is fair for me to call all apostates liars, mentally diseased, and so forth because that is not the case for many ex JW's.
Again, really awesome to hear you say that. Makes me respect you a bit more. Good job!
