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minimus

It takes years for those that didn't want to agree to die.

Yan Bibiyan

WBF, you are forgetting that Satan is constantly throwing himself at them trying to derail them from the right spiritual path....After all, HS can only do so much...

AnnOMaly

So here they take direct responsibility for disseminating outright lies. If it goes through all these checks and articles are vetted this much, they have no excuse.

Exactly! The same thought struck me when my sources related the same '70 steps' and how involved and thorough the GB is in this process. No excuse.

cobaltcupcake

I never thought I'd see the day they'd un-deify CT Russell and all those early Bible Students. These guys are desperate.

Gayle

odd,,they claim God chose "special group" in 1919? but it took these "special" group some 94 years later to figure out who's who. absurd

St George of England

If only we could get an audio of this on to YouTube etc.

George

BluesBrother

Thanks "Ultimate Reality" - your posts are always worth reading.

In order to fully grasp the "new light" I needed to refresh myself as to the old teaching..It would not hurt to be fully aware ..

A “Slave” Who Is Both Faithful and Discreet
Wt 04 3/1 p8
4 ]“The faithful and discreet slave” cannot be one person. Why not? Because the slave began serving spiritual food back in the first century, and according to Jesus, the slave would still be doing so when the Master arrived in 1914. That would represent some 1,900 years of faithful service for one individual. Not even Methuselah lived that long!—
16] What about today? When Jesus’ presence began in 1914, did he find a group of anointed Christians who were faithfully dispensing food at the proper time? He certainly did. This group could be clearly identified because of the fine fruitage that it was producing.
Isaiah's Prophecy 2 (2001) p396/397
In the modern-day fulfillment of these prophecies, there was an important spiritual development in 1918 in connection with Jehovah’s worship. Jehovah and Jesus evidently made an inspection of all of those claiming to represent pure worship. That inspection led to the final casting off of corrupt Christendom. For Christ’s anointed followers, the inspection meant a brief period of refinement followed by a swift spiritual restoration in 1919.

This is a subject that I have studied through and through. The doctrine of the faithful and discreet slave and its false authority is something I have vested alot of time in and has resulted in my leaving the faith. What's amazing is that Ray Franz long ago completely dismantled the entire premise of a 1900 year old faithful slave class that existed since the 1st century. How ironic that something that is considered new light in the year 2012 was gospel from their greatest nemesis since the 1980s.

It appears to me that they are trying to fill in the gaps to their doctrine of power. I wish Ray Franz were still around today, I am sure he would be having a field day with this. They're eliminating some historical fallacies with regards to their lineage of authority, however the supposed EVIDENCE and appointment is still a theological claim and not a historical one. The organization's foundation is still laid upon the teachings and faith as taught by CT Russell. So, this new light really doesn't distance them from him at all.

rubadubdub

So, I want to say, “Hi!” According to my account information I have been lurking for 11 months. I have also been posting as Rubadubdub on the Yuku forum for about a year. You can find my story there. In a nutshell, I walked away after the last day of my District Convention on July 3, 2011.

Lots of issues had been building up since my baptism at age 16 in 1975. I was “in” for 42 years. The tipping point for me was the progressive doctrine of extreme shunning. I had seen the control tightening over the years, and I refused to shun my son who is DF’d or my daughter who is DA’d (by her actions). It made absolutely no sense to me to shun my own children and yet be obligated to stay married to my “Apostate” husband who faded over thirty years ago.

So why post now? Because, I got up the nerve to call a dub I’ve known for 34 years about the “New Light” dispensed at the Annual Meeting. She was a member of the Brooklyn Heights’ Congregation for many years and knows (knew) many GB members. She personally knew Barbara Anderson left because of the pedophilia issue.

So I said, “So have you heard the latest from the Annual Meeting?”

Dub: “No. I have notes from the Gilead Graduation, though. I can forward them to you.”

Rubadubdub: “Well the Annual Meeting was this Saturday, and there is ‘New Light’ regarding the F&D Slave. The GB is the F&D Slave, and The Slave wasn’t appointed until 1919, not 33 C.E.”

Her take on the Annual Meeting and the appointment of the GB as The Faithful Slave:

Dub: “Well that’s what we’ve always known. Sure there is a writing department, but the GB approves all the Spiritual Food we receive. Dan Sydlik explained to me that sometimes they have to do a ‘clean sweep at Bethel’. You know, like when Ray Franz started inserting his apostate ideas into the literature. They had to disfellowship him. I think many who are still here from the 1975 era will leave. This is will just be another time of cleansing.”

Rubadubdub: (Ignoring the Ray Franz/cleansing comment for now.) “Well, that is not what we have always been taught. As I recall, The F&DS has always been the remnant of the 144,000 still here on earth at any given time throughout history.”

Dub: “But this makes sense to me. It just brings us up to date with what is really happening. The GB doesn’t consult the remnant when they publish the literature.”

Rubadubdub: “I understand. They don’t even know how many of the 144,000 are still here on earth now. They don’t know how many may have been influenced by past religious experiences or how many may just be mentally or emotionally unstable. Also, there is no network where the GB discusses spiritual matters with the remnant.”

Dub: “But this really changes the timeline, doesn’t it?”

Rubadubdub: “How, in your mind, did you make the leap from the GB is the F&D Slave to ‘this changes the timeline?’”

Dub: “Well, if the F&D Slave didn’t exist in 33 C.E. and was not present until 1919 that changes the timeline. I know a sister who is my age (mid-seventies) that says if she makes it to 85 years old, and the New System is not here, she is really going to be angry, because ‘it was all for naught’!

This is all Satan’s doing. He wants to cause confusion.”

Rubadubdub: “So are you saying Satan is behind this ‘new light’, and he actually has control over the GB?”

Dub: “First century Christians were to ‘keep on the watch’. We are to ‘keep on the watch.’ The GB said the ‘end’ is imminent five years ago. What is the definition of imminent?”

Rubadubdub: “Well the ‘Over-lapping Generation’ certainly extends the ‘end times’.”

Dub: “Well, maybe I won’t live to see the end of this system, but things are soooo bad. Things are rapidly deteriorating. Just listen to the news. Jehovah will have to hear the outcry. Eventually, he will step in. If I have to die and take a little nap until I wake up in the New System, I’m OK with that.”

Then she went on to explain to me how her hubby from whom she is unofficially separated, a DF’d bisexual dub (Yeah, the New Light on Pornia really screwed up her life) is replacing an electric fireplace in their home with a brick-lined fireplace and chimney, since “when the GT comes, there will be no electricity or gas . . .”

cult classic

rubadubdub - Thus the reason I am not looking forward to having any conversations with my uber-dub family members. This is going to be brutal.

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