Do You Ever Doubt Your Efforts Are Futile?

by Elephant 52 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Knowsnothing
    Knowsnothing

    to any of these, what is your motivation?

    What efforts? For me personally, I left. That's it. That's all I wanted to do. JWs can go about their business. I don't care what anyone believes.

    However, my response isn't met with the same feelings. My mom feels it is necessary to 'bring me back to the fold' and to wash my mind of 'apostate beliefs'. When she asks me questions, I feel obligated to respond. After all, I should be able to express myself without fear of reproof. That's when the shit storm starts, and that's why I'm so personally involved. I don't want to be, but as that famous Godfather III line goes, "Just when I thought I was out... they pull me back in".

    At the end of the day, my efforts will be futile, as my mother is moving away because she can't stand to live with her dissident son. So, why bother? I don't know... there have been moments I made her think. I guess it gives me some hope, but I've resigned myself to the reality. She will leave, I will move on.

    Oh, and I don't fully lay the blame on the religion; the blame is partially on her upbringing and life circumstances and her needy personality. I really pity that it had to come to this, but if she's die-hard committed to her relgion, I honestly don't want to keep her. She can go and do her thing, and I am free to do mine.

  • Christ Alone
    Christ Alone

    Interesting question coming from a person who goes door to door and comes to exJW sites to try and "change the masses".

    I'm here for a few reasons, all of which have already been given

    1. For Intel: We tend to know more about the Watchtower than the rank and file JWs do. The news about Mark Sanderson being appointed to the GB was here an hour after it was announced at Bethel. The letters to the body of elders are usually posted here sometimes before all the body of elders have even seen them. We can see what the elders are learning outside of what JWs are allowed to know (i.e. the shepherd book). We also are privy to news that the WT would NEVER release (i.e. Candace Conti)

    2. To vent: We are able to express ourselves in a way that was never allowed in the organization. If we had an issue with a teaching or the way things were handled, we were told to keep it to ourselves and "wait on Jehovah". We can tell our stories about who we were, what happened, and who we are now. This is therapeutic. The silence isn't healthy and getting it out to others who have seen the horrible things that go on inside the organization helps us to have some sort of closure.

    3. To help others: We are able to be there for other questioning or newly leaving JWs and let them know that they are not crazy for feeling or thinking this way. There are others that have been through some of the same things and were able to find life outside of the Watchtower. One of the things that cults use is fear. Fear that there is only bad out there. Everything outside the WT is evil. If you were to leave, "Where would you go?" "No one knows the Bible like WE do". We can help others through sharing our stories.

    I think one of the most telling things about questions like this is that Elephat is thinking that we still think like JWs. We are supposed to change everyone. I don't think like that anymore. Yes, I give my thoughts, opinions, and ideas here about God, the Bible, etc... But if someone doesn't accept it, that's fine. I don't mind. I have alot of friends outside this forum that are atheists, and we get along great. We know we are probably not going to change the others ideas, but we can be friends anyway and have lively conversations. As long as we talk with respect to each other, everkything is great.

    So no, I don't want to change the masses. I don't think I (or anyone here) is going to bring down the Watchtower. Those thoughts of grandiosity are saved for current JWs that think that the UN is going to destroy all religions, but the WT will be the only one standing, and when they try to destroy them, God will step in and get angry. They also have the grandios idea that they will keep growing. I think that will eventually level off and with people able to do intelligent research about the people that keep coming to their door, the truth about the truth will grow.

    I think the Watchtower will go on for a long time. As long as they pretend to know all the answers to everything and make people feel like there is nowhere else to go, they will be fine.

  • Glander
    Glander

    What strange syntax for a thread title.

    I experienced 3 decades inside the JW organization and I don't mind warning others that is not what they think.

    As far as discouraging anyone from believing in god I've stated my case as an atheist here in the past but I don't harp on it.

    So, elephant, what's your point?

  • tornapart
    tornapart

    For me it's not a mission, it's a safety valve. I still have to go along and there's no way I can tell my friends how I feel. My family don't want to hear it.

    I can come here, read what I want, say what I want, without anyone condemning me. That's priceless.

    Here, I don't have to pretend.

  • Glander
    Glander

    tornapart - you are the generic questioning witness person I have in my mind when posting whatever honest observations I can to help open your eyes to this destructive cult. Glad you are here. Take your time.

  • perfect1
    perfect1

    Hey Elephant,

    Do You Ever Doubt Your Efforts Are Futile?

    Do you Ever Doubt Your Efforts Are Effective?

    Do you Ever Doubt Your Efforts?

    Do you Ever Doubt?

    Is what you are asking, Do you ever suspect you efforts are futile?

    Otherwise it sounds like you assume people are mostly certain their efforts are futile.

  • rip van winkle
    rip van winkle

    Perfect1- you took the words out of my mouth....

    ~~~~

    Yes, I do. And then I have to replace the negative thought with a positive thought and try again another way.

  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW

    Change a few words in the Opening Post and..

    This is what you get..

    ...hello folks...

    ...i've read countless of posts, ideas, opinions, etc here and I'm interested in your response...

    ...there is a whole gamut of feelings here from individuals that are simply in love with the wt organization, to those that come off as hellbent on defending the org at any cost...

    ...others yet seem to have made it their mission in life to shove the WBT$ down everyones throats including God himself...

    ...to any of these, what is your motivation? and do you ever doubt that these efforts are futile? do you feel that you posses the power/ability/means to change the convictions/faiths of the masses? if not, do you ever contemplate ending these efforts?

    ............................................ OUTLAW

  • Vidiot
    Vidiot

    Outlaw, you're the man.

    BTW, since my efforts are for me and mine, no.

    I never doubt my efforts are futile.

  • whathappened
    whathappened

    I take comfort in coming to JWN and discovering that I am not alone. Others have been misled by this evil cult. Others have wasted years of their lives and made huge sacrifices, thinking they were doing it for god, only to find out that thoses sacrifices were for a publishing house posing as a religion.

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