How is creationism DISPROVED? (page 13)

OUTLAW

Creation...proves a CREATOR - insearchoftruth4

Keep searching.....Cofty

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sabastious

What makes you so certain that your creation ideas are the right one? What about the many thousands of religions that all have their own opinion on creationism? What makes yours so much more believable?

Because my goal is to have spiritual ideas that are perfectly compatible with both Religion and Science. I don't believe that we are just a mix of chaos and order, I believe we are ALL order and chaos is a means to an end; purposed. Which is what the Bible is all about ending with Revelation's promise to mankind. I live my life with this constantly in mind. Even you have admitted that my ideas cannot be disproven. They can only be opposed by counter philosophies, not known facts. Science still has some 'splainin to do and until then they will have to lean on philosophy in connection with known facts to disprove the existence of God. Which means that religion is not outdated, it's just full of lies. Clear up the lies and what remains should be pure and offer nothing but support for mankind.

-Sab

sabastious

And you get it wrong with the first sentence.

I would recommend that you don't take positions that you are not prepared to defend.

-Sab

snare&racket

"I would say that Higgs-like particles are things. So elementary particles is where you start. However this question was probably answered with the atom hundreds of years ago"

Jesus christ on a photon.....DIY science, evidence be damned!

EntirelyPossible

I would recommend that you don't take positions that you are not prepared to defend.

Please, Sabastious. Continue.

perfect1

>yawn<

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahma

sabastious

Please, Sabastious. Continue.

OK, so if you posulate the existence of a Monotheistic entity present at the Big Bang you then get to posulate the existence of it ALSO during all subsequent events that the Big Bang caused up until this VERY MOMENT. This is what I've meant when I say "start with purpose rather than no purpose." Because, really why is there reason to believe there is no purpose? Imo, you have to delve into philosophy to answer this question which is just giving credence to ancient spiritual thought.

Take exploding stars for example. Interestingly organic matter can be formed during the creation of these stars and then they blow up sending it across the universe. This seems to be a pattern of blowing up, a swelling and then an explosion which comes with the end result of more complex phenomenon. You might even call that a creative "day." Why does the universe expand, but ALSO increase in capability? Why did we go from non organic to organic? If you work with the idea that intelligence was present at the Big Bang you're looking at these stars under a completely different light. Were these incubators of some kind? See, it's easy to see how things came to be on their own on Earth with evolutionary biology because you just have SO MUCH data to work with. It really does appear to be working on it's own. However, cosmology works with a different set of principles and it uses a LOT less data than biology. Things are more spread out in space and there is less raw material to work with until you get to a planet with life on it.

In my opinion the scientists of today rely too much on biology to disprove the existence of God. They say that our suffering isn't worth it, but they also say the Spirit Realm doesn't exist. They also say there is no life after death which are all just unconfirmed theories that are being falsely presented as fictional ideas. If you incorperate those theories in conjuncture with the Monotheistic entity present at the Big Bang you can easily establish a moral framework. Was the expansion worth it? Did the Intelligence that started it all know exactly what was going to happen? The Torah says that God regretted his actions which is an extremely deep religious philiosophy. And when you look at all the suffering organic life has been through one can empathize with the regret of God. A long stretch of time was needed in order to get us to this point and I believe that if God exists, he knew that it would ultimately be worth it. A father doesn't set out to sabotage his children, it's just not in them. I don't believe, however, that God wants me to die needlessly on an operating table by refusing blood because an organization CLAIMING to speak for Him told me so. That's just religious lies showing through into the material world.

-Sab

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