perfect1 - well for example taoism and yin/yang, I don't know anything about those, but some things I read in the bible I had posted as an example and people were saying that sounded like those beliefs. Now you mentioned the native americans and getting rain, but I just based what I said there on what the bible said as who makes it rain and a curse for bible countries to not be getting rain. Then there is the whole secret society stuff, where they must only believe in a higher power, but can be of any faith and I think (no idea because I never joined any) at some point or in some branches they may show how they all link up, such as the all seeing eye and pyramid. But I know there is one thing they do not know, or they would be acting quite differently. Anyway it seems many or all have a piece of truth.
Are the desert wastelands of biblical lands due to man or a curse?
by EndofMysteries 28 Replies latest watchtower bible
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EndofMysteries
leolia - it's scary, but only thing on those that can hint towards rain is drought and climate change. But any answers as to what causes rain to stop in those areas? Since for thousands of years advanced human civilization was among the bible lands, what caused it to go from getting adequate rain to pretty much no rain?
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Leolaia
It is due to climate fluctuations arising from a larger shifting of subtropical and temperate zones. The Levant is located in a transitional belt between these zones, which itself migrates over time. So the Levant goes through historical fluctuations between drier and wetter weather. This migration is due to the North Atlantic Oscillation, which drives Atlantic moisture either to Europe or to the south over the Mediterranean and the Near East.
A random article discussing climatic fluctuation during the Roman period:
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EntirelyPossible
Neither, natural fluctuations. It was also not designed to be a desert. It just IS sometimes.
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Christ Alone
I knew someone would jump on that veiled creation reference. I say it was designed still... So there!
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Bungi Bill
Niether.
The climate of any place on the western edge of a continent , and located approximately between latitudes 30 and 40 degrees, is determined by the Sub Tropical High Pressure Cells.
In years of higher rainfall (i.e what farmers would call a "good" year) agriculture has often been attempted in the more marginal areas of these zones (as was the case where I am currently working in South Australia). However, once the more normal rainfall pattern resumes, these efforts quickly fail - leaving behind evidence that could be interpreted as "the climate was once different."
The supernatural played little part in all this - and human activity not much more!
Bill.
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Chariklo
Natural climate and geography, wouldn't you think?
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transhuman68
LOL, nothing much has changed in the Middle East for thousands of years. Archaeology has revealed that Israel only ever exported wine and olive oil- it was never a ‘land flowing with milk and honey’. The Dead Sea has always been dead. There are no scriptures in the Bible that have any relevance beyond the time period in which they were written. It’s very simple, really- it just takes a long time to work it out.
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EndofMysteries
leolaia - read that article, so the jet stream moved and that's why the bible lands haven't been getting rain. My next question on this.....did the alps and europe used to be a desert? Or, should the jetstream change again and the bible lands get adequate rain, will the land be healed and fertile again or is it forever ruined? If so, and the rate of other lands starting to slowly become the same, that's real bad news for Earth.
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Bungi Bill
Europe north of the Mediterranean lies in the path of year-round westerly winds, which ensure a regular and reliable rainfall:
- unlike the Mediterranean area (including its eastern margin) that receives the westerly winds only during the winter months (and sometimes not at all).
Furthermore, these moisture-laden westerly winds are forced to shed a higher than normal amount of precipitation as they ascend the mountain chain of the alps. (What is known as the orographic effect). There is no evidence to suggest that Europe was ever a desert, and it is extremely unlikely that any such evidence would ever be found!
Bill.