Is 1914 still relevant in WT/JW Theology?

by 00DAD 52 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • MacHislopp
    MacHislopp

    Hello again,

    Here below on the same subject some interesting figures:

    From the Society’s 2011 CD ROM :

    The date of 1914 mentioned in the

    magazine Awake

    Years 2010- 2011 2 times

    (May 2011 p.15 and June 2011 p. 8)

    Years 2000-2009 53 times

    Years 1990 – 1999 152 times

    Years 1980 – 1989 234 times

    Years 1970 – 1979 193 times

    The date of 1914 mentioned in

    Our Kingdom Ministry

    Years 2010- 2011 2 times

    Years 2000-2009 16 times

    Years 1990 – 1999 15 times

    Years 1980 – 1989 22 times

    Years 1970 – 1979 34 times

    Greetings for now,

    J.C.MacHislopp

  • MacHislopp
    MacHislopp

    Hello again,

    Blondie, just to confirm to you that the quote below is the latest mention by the Society on the subject of “the length of the creative days”.

    From the brochure: Was Life Created? (published 2010)

    *** lc pp. 24-26 Science and the Genesis Account ***

    How Long Were the Creative Days?

    What about the length of the creative days? Were they literally 24 hours long? Some claim that because Moses—the writer of Genesis—later referred to the day that followed the six creative days as a model for the weekly Sabbath, each of the creative days must be literally 24 hours long. (Exodus 20:11) Does the wording of Genesis support this conclusion?

    No, it does not. The fact is that the Hebrew word translated “day” can mean various lengths of time, not just a 24-hour period. For example, when summarizing God’s creative work, Moses refers to all six creative days as one day. (Genesis 2:4) In addition, on the first creative day, “God began calling the light Day, but the darkness he called Night.” (Genesis 1:5) Here, only a portion of a 24-hour period is defined by the term “day.” Certainly, there is no basis in Scripture for arbitrarily stating that each creative day was 24 hours long.

    How long, then, were the creative days? The Bible does not say; however, the wording of Genesis chapters 1 and 2 indicates that considerable lengths of time were involved.

    Greetings, J.C. MacHislopp

    P.S. Blondie just to tell you how much I do appreciate your excellent and valuable work on this board. Many thanks.

  • jwfacts
    jwfacts

    1914 is even more relevant with the new teaching, as this specifically aligns the appearance of the Slave to 1919, which is tied to Jesus returning to the temple 3.5 years after 1914.

    "“The faithful and discreet slave” was appointed over Jesus’ domestics in 1919. That slave is the small, composite group of anointed brothers serving at world headquarters during Christ’s presence who are directly involved in preparing and dispensing spiritual food. When this group work together as the Governing Body, they act as “the faithful and discreet slave.”" jw.org 10th Nov 2012

    Previously the Slave existed since Jesus, so 1914 could be moved around without so much affect to the GB's authority.

    Of course, the GB can change everything and anything at anytime and have most JWs believe it regardless, so things may change, but it does not seem likely that 1914 will be dropped in the near future.

  • smiddy
    smiddy

    I am one who beleives they can stretch it out at least ` till 1934 and by then they will have come up with some other doozy explanation.

    smiddy

  • Refriedtruth
    Refriedtruth

    The UN (united Nations)..... shift to blood 'fractions'..... 1914 date,....creative day,...Charles Russel and other topics/subjects being phased out is prima facie evidence that they are WILFULL progressive manipulative liars

    Amen

  • Apognophos
    Apognophos

    Let me try to restate what I've been saying, by approaching it from another angle. As near as I can figure out, the current interpretation of the 3.5 times is from Dec. 1914 to June 1918. June 1918 is the imprisonment of Rutherford et al. Dec. 1914 is what you get when you count back three and a half years, and the Society warned that there might be persecution and announced the 1915 yeartext to be "Are ye able to drink of My cup?". Yes, that's the basis for the start date: counting backwards to the announcement of a yeartext. This reasoning is given in the WT of Aug. 1, 1994 in the Questions from Readers.

    So really, 1919 has no direct connection to 1914. If anyone can find a Society writing that links those two years, I will stand corrected. The significance given for 1919 is the Cedar Point convention that started the modern preaching work (there was another Cedar Point convention in 1922 that reiterated the importance of the preaching work, which is the convention linked to the trumpet blasts). This 1919 convention is considered prophetic fulfillment of scriptures referring to a revival from spiritual inactivity and a swarm of locusts -- NOT the beginning of Jesus' reign in 1914. As near as I can tell, there is no chronology linking 1914 and 1919. Only the inactivity during WWI and the subsequent preaching beginning in 1919 are prophetically linked by the Society.

    Thus, there is little obstacle to the Society simply phasing out the mention of 1914, or maybe even kicking it out the door in a "new light" article, and yet still proclaiming that the slave was appointed in 1919 after Jesus began inspecting his household at some other, possibly unknown, date (I will speculate more wildly here, that they are going to flip the date of the inspection and anointing around so that it more logically takes place after 1919 -- perhaps 1931 -- and keep the identification of the slave at 1919 because that is when the preaching began). 1919 is close enough to 1914 that it will not feel to the rank and file that anything deeply significant has changed. The beginning of the 20th century will still mark the start of some special era for God's servants and the beginning of Jesus' reign.

    It's true that 1914 has a satisfying aspect to it for Witnesses, which is that WWI began in that year, but Witnesses have always known that the beginning of WWI does not align with the October 4/5 date based on the 2,520 years from Oct. 5/6, 607 BCE (Daniel book chap. 6). The assumption by some Witnesses, in order to reconcile the difference, is that Satan was stirring up things on Earth in 1914 even before he was cast down there in the autumn. Thus, even if 1914 is removed as a significant year from WT chronology, Witnesses will still have essentially the same belief -- that WWI marked the rough beginning of the signs of Jesus' presence, and Satan's confinement to Earth, a time of woe for mankind.

  • Gayle
    Gayle

    thx Mac and others,,these search engines are sure telling! 243 times total in the followng years listed:

    Year 2011 5 times

    Year 2010 18 times

    Year 2009 23 times

    Year 2008 17 times

    Year 2007 17times

    Year 2006 23 times

    Year 2005 18 times

    Year 2004 52times

    Year 2003 14 times

    Year 2002 13times

    Year 2001 23 times

    Year 2000 20 times

    **************

    Probably the 'way' they mention 1914 anymore is not printed even close to years ago, simply, as "the last days started in 1914!"

    The WT would just do some mumble jumble on it.

    I wonder how many JWs if asked directly, "did the last days begin in 1914," most would simply answer 'yes.' However, the GB if asked. but knowing they were being taped & televised, would go through a lot of mumbo, jumbo.

  • Vidiot
    Vidiot
    blondi - "The WTS takes time to phase out their mistakes..."

    That don't work in the lightning-fast Information Age, unfortunately.

  • Jeffro
    Jeffro

    jwfacts:

    1914 is even more relevant with the new teaching, as this specifically aligns the appearance of the Slave to 1919, which is tied to Jesus returning to the temple 3.5 years after 1914.

    That's true. But only if they think about it. 'Loyal' JWs don't need to waste time thinking. 1914 will, for the most part, simply be out of sight, out of mind.

  • Phizzy
    Phizzy

    I think so too Jeffro, let it fade away like the other dates 1874, even 1799 or whatever rubbish it was.

    I think too that realising the 1919 thing has even less basis than 1914 (is that possible?) they will do as Agno says, make the choosing of the FDS a little later, they may wish to do all this fairly soon, so that the 100 years in 2014 slips by without being noticed by the R&F drone JDubs.

    I think too that the reversing slowly out of the blood Doctrine that they have been doing will be completed over the next few years, without litigation they will hope, as it will be done so slowly,all ending up with it being totally a "conscience matter", with no reprisals.

    They will have to bring out a new version of the risible "Bible Teach" book of course, so as no mention of blood or 1914 is actually in their new study book for the public.

    I see too a softening on the Divinity of Jesus question, never a full blown acceptance of a Trinitarian point of view of course, but something a bit more mainstream.

    They need new recruits in the prosperous world badly, to boost their dwindling cash flow, a certain, less Culty, rebranding is long overdue.

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