Nietzsche

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  • Band on the Run
    Band on the Run

    Is Nietzche relevant today or he is an important figure in the history of philosophy?. Regretably, I never studied him in school. He was such a towering figure that I decided to read him on my own. I feel you are not educated unless you know his work. He was no easy read. Sparks Notes is a great idea.

  • zed is dead
    zed is dead

    One of my favorite sayings of his is about trust.

    I'm not upset that you lied to me, I'm upset that from now on I can't believe you

    zed

  • d
    d

    One of my favorite quotes from him "One must still have chaos within oneself to give birth to a dancing star"

  • yalbmert99
    yalbmert99

    My favorite quote is :

    "A strong belief proves only its own strength, not the truth of what is believed."

  • d
    d

    Three metamorphoses of the spirit do I designate to you: how the spirit becometh a camel, the camel a lion, and the lion at last a child.

    Many heavy things are there for the spirit, the strong load-bearing spirit in which reverence dwelleth: for the heavy and the heaviest longeth its strength.

    What is heavy? so asketh the load-bearing spirit; then kneeleth it down like the camel, and wanteth to be well laden.

    What is the heaviest thing, ye heroes? asketh the load-bearing spirit, that I may take it upon me and rejoice in my strength.

    Is it not this: To humiliate oneself in order to mortify one's pride? To exhibit one's folly in order to mock at one's wisdom?

    Or is it this: To desert our cause when it celebrateth its triumph? To ascend high mountains to tempt the tempter?

    Or is it this: To feed on the acorns and grass of knowledge, and for the sake of truth to suffer hunger of soul?

    Or is it this: To be sick and dismiss comforters, and make friends of the deaf, who never hear thy requests?

    Or is it this: To go into foul water when it is the water of truth, and not disclaim cold frogs and hot toads?

    Or is it this: To love those who despise us, and give one's hand to the phantom when it is going to frighten us?

    All these heaviest things the load-bearing spirit taketh upon itself: and like the camel, which, when laden, hasteneth into the wilderness, so hasteneth the spirit into its wilderness.

    But in the loneliest wilderness happeneth the second metamorphosis: here the spirit becometh a lion; freedom will it capture, and lordship in its own wilderness.

    Its last Lord it here seeketh: hostile will it be to him, and to its last God; for victory will it struggle with the great dragon.

    What is the great dragon which the spirit is no longer inclined to call Lord and God? "Thou-shalt," is the great dragon called. But the spirit of the lion saith, "I will."

    "Thou-shalt," lieth in its path, sparkling with gold—a scale-covered beast; and on every scale glittereth golden, "Thou shalt!"

    The values of a thousand years glitter on those scales, and thus speaketh the mightiest of all dragons: "All the values of things—glitter on me.

    All values have already been created, and all created values—do I represent. Verily, there shall be no 'I will' any more. Thus speaketh the dragon.

    My brethren, wherefore is there need of the lion in the spirit? Why sufficeth not the beast of burden, which renounceth and is reverent?

    To create new values—that, even the lion cannot yet accomplish: but to create itself freedom for new creating—that can the might of the lion do.

    To create itself freedom, and give a holy Nay even unto duty: for that, my brethren, there is need of the lion.

    To assume the right to new values—that is the most formidable assumption for a load-bearing and reverent spirit. Verily, unto such a spirit it is preying, and the work of a beast of prey.

    As its holiest, it once loved "Thou-shalt": now is it forced to find illusion and arbitrariness even in the holiest things, that it may capture freedom from its love: the lion is needed for this capture.

    But tell me, my brethren, what the child can do, which even the lion could not do? Why hath the preying lion still to become a child?

    Innocence is the child, and forgetfulness, a new beginning, a game, a self-rolling wheel, a first movement, a holy Yea.

    Aye, for the game of creating, my brethren, there is needed a holy Yea unto life: ITS OWN will, willeth now the spirit; HIS OWN world winneth the world's outcast.

    Three metamorphoses of the spirit have I designated to you: how the spirit became a camel, the camel a lion, and the lion at last a child.—

    Thus spake Zarathustra. And at that time he abode in the town which is called The Pied Cow.

  • d
    d

    On the Three Metamorphoses

    Zarathustra begins his first speech by describing the three stages through which a soul moves during its transformation. The use of the word "metamorphoses" has a double meaning here. Metamorphosis is the act of a change, which this parable certainly deals with, but metamorphoses are also brief mythical allusions, first used by the Roman poet Ovid.

    The metamorphosis of the soul can best be described as a person's spiritual journey. The soul first becomes a camel, carrying heavy burdens. Then, the soul transforms again into a lion. Finally, the lion becomes a child. The camel is a beast of burden, and it represents the burdens that the laws and morality of religion place on individuals. These strictures carry the individual's soul into the desert. There, the soul transforms into a lion, fighting for its freedoms from the restrictions of religion. The lion fights viciously against the ingrained traditions of a society. The transformation of the soul into a lion is necessary to cast off the burdens of the camel. The soul must then become an innocent child once again seeking truth. By becoming a child again, the soul is able to gain its own sense of morality, not the morality imposed by religion.

    At the end of this speech, Zarathustra goes to a town called The Motley Cow.

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    Love that, d.

    S

  • d
    d

    Thank you Satanus I will try to find more.

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