Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 11-18-2012 WT Study (KNOW DAY HOUR)

by blondie 24 Replies latest jw friends

  • undercover
    undercover

    The first four paragraphs set up the whole intent of this article: to not watch the clock and worry about the end not coming yet. They're obviously worried about people questioning the Last Days/Armageddon/Paradise Earth scenerio.

    But - in paragraph 5 they slyly drop in an expectation of things to happen within a certain time period:

    Although we look forward to surviving the end of this system, we serve Jehovah because we love him, not merely to get life.

    Despite the title of the article, despite the admonition to not watch time, despite the counsel to not serve with a reward in mind - they still keep the reward of serving Jehovah the WTS dangling as a carrot. They keep the idea of the end coming within a lifetime alive in the minds of the believers.

  • sabastious
    sabastious

    Just think how discouraging it could have been to expect the end and for it not to occur! - September 2012 Watchtower

    I find it interesting that the Watchtower correlates the concept of keeping on the watch with an expectation of events. These are two separate concepts that the Society seems to conjoin in order to create a false sense of urgency. Consider the Greek word peri (per-ee) found in Mattthew 24:36.

    Concerning (peri) that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father. - NWT
    peri: about, concerning, around (denotes place, cause or subject)

    Original Word: περ?
    Part of Speech: Preposition
    Transliteration: peri
    Phonetic Spelling: (per-ee')
    Short Definition: about, concerning, around
    Definition: (a) gen: about, concerning, (b) acc: around.

    So, what Matthew 24:36 is saying is that NO ONE should concern themselves with the exact time of the end because it's impossible to predict. Yet, in the above WT quote they said that there were "expecting" it in 1914, to the point of believing they were going to be raptured to heaven in that year. Notice the verbiage used in vs 50 of the same chapter:

    50 - the master of that slave will come on a day that he does not expect ( prosdokaó) and in an hour that he does not know

    This is what Strong's has to say on the Greek word used:

    prosdokaó: to await, expect

    Original Word: προσδοκ?ω
    Part of Speech: Verb
    Transliteration: prosdokaó
    Phonetic Spelling: (pros-dok-ah'-o)
    Short Definition: I expect, await
    Definition: I expect, wait for, await, think, anticipate.

    So, Russell and the Bible Students were directly going against the words of the Bible according to Matthew chapter 24. Because they were anticipating the end of the world when Matthew 24 explicitly stated not to do that. Yet, here we are many decades later being told a sob story about how "discouraging" it was expecting an end that did not come. As if to garner sympathy. Yes, of course it's discouraging, false prophecy is a b*tch. These artists of deception need no more support.

    -Sab

  • Vanderhoven7
    Vanderhoven7

    marked

  • Apognophos
    Apognophos
    In fact, not knowing dignifies us, allowing us to use our free will in manifesting our loyalty to
    Jehovah. Although we look forward to surviving the end of this system, we serve Jehovah
    because we love him, not merely to get life.

    You know what God could do if he really, really wanted to dignify us? Don't threaten to destroy people if they don't want to follow his will. He could move unbelievers to another planet or another universe where they can do their own thing if he doesn't want the bad apples ruining the good ones. I'm just saying. It's awfully hard to love someone who is so abstract, so distant. Surely an all-knowing God would realize this about human nature, as our Creator. And yet Christians are supposed to serve God out of love, not in order to avoid destruction. That's right, don't think about the warning of the 'narrow path leading to salvation and the broad path to destruction'; love for an invisible figure who may or may not be blessing your life should be your overriding motivation. I'm sure many Witnesses are serving God only for the principles. It's not as if fear of eternal death could possibly muddy the waters when it comes to their motives.

  • JW GoneBad
    JW GoneBad

    WT would like its readers to believe that it was mostly uninformed anointed publishers that had wrong expectations of 1914.

    The truth of the matter is that the quote in paragraph 11 is from a WT heavy by the name of A. H. Macmillian who was a close associate of C.T. Russell and who would few a years later become a WTBTS board member. His full quote is taken from a book he later wrote entitled ‘Faith On The March’:

    That was a highly interesting time because a few of us seriously thought we were going to heaven during the first week of that October….. I believed it myself sincerely--that the church was "going home" in October. During that discourse I made this unfortunate remark: "This is probably the last public address I shall ever deliver because we shall be going home soon." (chapt 4 pg47)

    A. H. Macmillian was a WT gifted speaker whose talks motivated many and molded their thinking that often resulted in wrong expectations and broken promises, much like what we see the GB doing today.

    The Apostle Paul says it best at 1Thes 2:3: “For the exhortation we give does not arise from error or from uncleanness or with deceit.”

  • BluesBrother
    BluesBrother

    Five pages of Kool Aid....That is how I see this article. It is designed to dull any reader's thinking ability, make him push any doubts away from his mind and just keep on keeping on with The Ministry trusting that what he learns is from God, when in fact it is the distorted excuses of a bunch of men who are themselves victims. It hardly mentions their failed predictions and makes it seem as though it is the reader's fault if he wavers.

    We open with two clumsy enhancements of Jesus' parable ...Jesus said it better.

    Par 3 refers to Matt 25 and the parable of foolish and wise virgins. " He emphasized his point by saying: “Keep on the watch, therefore, because you know neither the day nor the hour”—that is, when Jesus would actually execute God’s judgment on Satan’s world. (Matt. 25:13) "

    Is that the first time they have applied this to Armageddon? It used to apply to Jesus' coming as in Parousia

    Wt 04 3/1 p15

    "21 Thus, although these two parables shed light on events in 1919 or thereabouts, they apply in principle to all true Christians throughout the last days. In this way, while the exhortation that Jesus gave at the end of the parable of the ten virgins applies in the first place to anointed Christians before 1919, in principle it still applies to every Christian. May all of us, then, take to heart Jesus’ words: “Keep on the watch, therefore, because you know neither the day nor the hour.”—Matthew 25:13"

    Am I behind the times or is it a subtle beam of new light?

    Para 4 suggested that some activities cannot be set out by a timetable...Hmm we see where they are going here!

    Para 5 tried to make us feel guilty for expecting the end sooner. The high moral tone would be true if they had not made predictions. We would not mind if God's purpose was far off, we just expect that somebody claiming to speak for God tells us the truth! The argument is not with God, Watchtower . The argument is with YOU!

    Para 11) contains what I call lies. " Although the anointed had for decades looked to 1914 as a marked year, they did not clearly understand what would happen. When things did not take place as they expected, it could have looked as if the Bridegroom were delaying. One brother later recalled, “A few of us seriously thought we were going to heaven during the first week of that October [1914].”

    The old mags and books clearly show that they predicted the end, officially as WT policy. Perhaps it was not necessarily to be that week or month but they forecast the end and their "calling" at that time. They are clever nowadays at massaging their history.

    Para 10 " The passing of time is relative. When we are busy and involved instead of watching the clock, time seems to fly by.

    Yes ..Life can pass you by and you are old before you know it. Years have flown by and you are still in this world having banked on a future that never came.....Can you still have faith in those leaders who sold it to you?

    That is enough of a rant.....Karl Marx said that "Religion is the opium of the people" Whatever he may have meant by that, I believe this article is a stultifying drug to dull the senses and reasoning power of the r & f....The sad thing is that it seems to work, judging by those that I know

  • Ding
    Ding

    The organization that has promoted more false dates for the end than anyone else says we're better off not knowing the date.

    How do these guys say such things with a straight face?

    How do JWs who lived through the 1975 hype read this without gagging?

  • Eiben Scrood
    Eiben Scrood

    Bless you Blondie. I have reached the point that reading any of their bullshit makes me want to dig out my eyes with my fingernails. I'm amazed you can tolerate what you do.

  • IMHO
    IMHO

    Why do they have to make up 5 reasons to "prove" that it is a blessing not knowing the end date?

    Why can't they just say (admit); "We don't know why?"

  • IMHO
    IMHO

    Am I the only one of thinks it would be a blessing to KNOW the end date.

    If one truly loves Jehovah they wouldn't "slacken off" if the date was yet distant they would continue to serve him "out of love"; besides any day could be your last.

    One comment often given is that if the date was known people would do what they want until the time was close and then suddenly "repent". Do they really believe that Jehovah wouldn't see through that?

    If one truly loves Jehovah and they new for a fact the end date was coming in the next couple of months would that not spur them on to make an even greater effort to preach.

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