WT elders school: The elders in our circuit appear to be "trained" quite well

by sir82 31 Replies latest jw friends

  • sir82
    sir82

    More ramblings from the recently concluded elders' school.

    See the OP on this thread for background: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/242491/5/WT-Elders-school-The-WTS-has-progressed-from-just-plain-stupid-to-dangerously-stupid

    In part of the video mentioned above showing the "Goofus" elder trying to handle the situation with the crying sister:

    The "goofus" elder went into the Kingdom Hall library alone with the sister when she left the auditorium.

    You could hear literal, audible, gasps from the 100 or so elders watching the video.

    A few moments later, as the sister was crying, "Goofus" put out his hand and touched the sister's hand.

    Again, literal, loud, audible gasps from the audience.

    They darkened the room while the video was playing so I couldn't see him, but I have to imagine the CO was quite pleased that the audience grasped the "mistakes" that Elder Goofus was making.

    Also, in the midst of the video mentioned here: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/242532/1/WT-Elders-school-Look-how-cute-that-kindly-old-elder-is-Too-bad-the-Talmud-says-we-have-to-stone-our-victim-anyway

    ...the video was paused, restarted, paused, etc. several times along the way, and the audience was asked to comment on various questions raised by the CO about what they had just seen.

    At one point, the video was paused after just the openeing minutes of the judicial case. At that point, all that had been covered was a rehash of the guy's confession that he had gone to sports bar alone to eat dinner, a "worldly girl" had asked to join him, after a few drinks she asked him to "come to her place to see her aquarium", and then she "seduced" him.

    So, at the pause, the CO asks the audience their reaction up to that point. We spent easily 20+ minutes doing that.

    I was surprised and mortified. Easily 90+% of the comments from the elders were highly condemnatory of the kid, criticizing all the decisions he made. Clearly they were of a mind to disfellowship the kid right then and there. There had to be 30 or more comments like that.

    There were maybe 2 or 3 comments that indicated positive things the kid did - he did confess, he was willing to meet with the committee, etc. Those elders probably were leaning toward "acquittal" (i.e., reproof only).

    And 1, maybe 2 elders mentioned that we haven't heard nearly enough information to make any decision. The one guy I heard (he was seated behind me, couldn't see who it was) sounded clearly ticked that so many elders were so quick to condemn before hearing more information.

    The CO looked like a cat who had just caught a canary. He was having a good ol' time listening to all the condemnatory comments.

    I was just shaking my head. The elders sounded almost bloodthirsty - the kid made deliberate mistakes, he was guilty guilty guilty, and ought be thrown out right NOW!

    It was a bit frightening. The elders in our circuit apparently need little reinforcement of the idea "when in doubt, disfellowship".

  • punkofnice
    punkofnice

    It's a cult!

    What can I say?!?! As mentioned on another thread when I stopped going to the kingdom hell my ex wife was crying at the back of the room. She saw some elders approaching and thought they'd come to comfort her. All they wanted was to contact me for a JC.

    The WBT$ 'trains'(TM) it's goon squad to be 'company men'.

  • cobaltcupcake
    cobaltcupcake

    When I was new as a JW I remember mercy being stressed with rehabilitation being the goal. Not no more, apparently. kick

  • Londo111
    Londo111

    The myth of rehabilitation of sinners is outsider doctrine. Inside doctrine, especially inside the elder circle, is quite different.

  • besty
    besty

    at the risk of invoking Godwins Law I will invoke the Milgram Experiment:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

    The Milgram experiment on obedience to authority figures was a series of notable social psychology experiments conducted by Yale University psychologist Stanley Milgram , which measured the willingness of study participants to obey an authority figure who instructed them to perform acts that conflicted with their personal conscience .

  • Theocratic Sedition
    Theocratic Sedition
    The "goofus" elder went into the Kingdom Hall library alone with the sister when she left the auditorium.
    You could hear literal, audible, gasps from the 100 or so elders watching the video.
    A few moments later, as the sister was crying, "Goofus" put out his hand and touched the sister's hand.
    Again, literal, loud, audible gasps from the audience.

    This reminds me of the one I attended a few years ago not that long after the latest Flock book leaked online. The chairman started off praising the book and then paused briefly for brevity. Then he said in more words or less, "Do you know someone posted this book on the internet?" Dang near 80% of the people in attendance gasped aloud. Their response shocked me so I started looking around to see facial expressions and there was the absolute look of horror and astonishment that someone would leak the precious Flock book online. It was hilarious and very telling, letting me know just how ignorant many JWs are, especially older JWs of what someone with internet access is capable of. In hindsight I wish I could have videotaped the whole thing from the back of the auditorium.

  • brizzzy
    brizzzy

    I wish there was a way someone could leak these videos (or even the whole training session). Could someone who hasn't yet had their training use a pinhole cam or a button cam or something? o.O

  • DATA-DOG
    DATA-DOG

    So no apostasy cases or brazen conduct covered?

  • undercover
    undercover

    90+% of the comments from the elders were highly condemnatory of the kid, criticizing all the decisions he made. Clearly they were of a mind to disfellowship the kid right then and there. There had to be 30 or more comments like that.

    From my experience in the elder/MS only meetings, the elders that were eager to comment, and seemed (over)confident, were the biggest ass kissing, brown nosing jerks in the circuit. The moderate or more willing to give benefit of the doubt elders - the "good guy" elders that we have fond memories of - sat quietly and just took it all in, never commenting unless pressed to, and not always agreeing 100%.

    What was secretly pleasing at the time was seeing some of these asshat elders getting their peepees whacked by the CO or DO, when they self righteously declared something emphatically and forcefully, only to see the shool elder in charge shoot em down.

  • sir82
    sir82
    So no apostasy cases or brazen conduct covered?

    Nope - neither word was even mentioned in passing.

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