by KJV 24 Replies latest jw friends
Oh man, I wouldn't even want to start a religion. The responsibility it entitles...wheeew! Naw thanx.
I heard everyone is suppose to get 15 min. of fame in their life...I gladly pass my 15 min. of fame to the next poster. I ain't using it, don't wan't it...you can have it. :)
D8TA
I would start the one John Lennon wanted!
"NO RELIGION"
OOPS!, I thought this was a serious question at first!
Hey, TR, how about a 'special day' at least in Daytona during Bikers' week and maybe one at Sturgis as well????
After all, if you're gonna ride...RIDE!
Do not think this has not crossed our minds -- our own church (religion) Cuz it has...And I have sat here an posted iN my panties and bra not yet totally naked -- but here in BAKERSFIELD, CA. during summer and it gets damned hot who knows I just could sit here in my birthday suit with th fan AND swamp cooler going STARK NAKED--i want you to know in advance so U will be forewarned..HAPPY EASTER ALL!!!
Queenie- thanks for warning me! Bakersfield huh!?! I'm right below you here in Victorville. If I get a religion going you can run the Bakersfield chapter.
Frenchy-this was a very serious question! But my religion allows humor, even smutt!
avengers-John Lennon did have a religion: Yoko Ono
D8TA-you are making it sound as if my new religion would be all work and stress, you know what?? Your right!!
ISP-we would all make money, even you!
Pandora-church services would be held on SATURDAY NIGHT, so we could all sleep in with a hangover.
refiners fire-the Raelians? I never heard of them. Have you got their web page? We could have nude day. Did you know that God is nude?
yup intro-at least none of the members will have bad breath!
Flip-what you suggest has already been done....it's called "FreeMinds".
TR-and you would be able to buy your motorcycle at the lowest price and tax free to boot!
SS-It would be totally legal. Completely! It would expose the greed of other religions because in my religion EVERYBODY benefits. Even Devil worshipers.
So friends... If you want to get back at the Society, the sweetest revenge would be is to start a religion that would be the ideal religion. That's why I asked for your input. If we can start an organization to tear down and destroy the Society we can also start an org that will help each other!
*sigh* KJV, there is much more to being a Freshmaker than sweet smelling breath, I see I have a lot of work to do..
You will need an E.O, Entertainment Overseer
Okay, King James. Seriously, if I had the energy and drive to start a religion it would not be to ‘get back’ at the society or even attempt to so much as even make trouble for it. I would do it as an honest attempt to help others in their quest for a reconciliation with their spiritual side.
It would have to have rules in order for there to be order. I think every reasonable person would agree with that. BUT that is where the rules would stop. It would be a forum where orderly discussion could be carried on, where ideas could be expressed and where no one would have to accept a doctrine in order to meet with the group or to have their fellowship. I enjoy talking to people who believe in the trinity although I do not. I could listen to a discourse about hellfire even if I don't believe in it myself.
What I could not tolerate is one faction forcing upon others their own viewpoint and herein is the crux of the matter. Doctrines are just that, viewpoints. Jesus associated with harlots and thieves without condoning their conduct. Why should I try to set a higher standard for myself? I find it interesting that he never once even suggested to the Samaritan woman that she should marry the man she was living with. He spoke to her regardless and although he certainly was in a position to be able to make judgments, he did not condemn her but rather gave her the opportunity to accept his message.
Frenchy,
Sturgis/Daytona would work for me!
KJV- Two Motorcycles in every garage! at least!
TR
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RICO RACKETEERING LAW MAY BE USED ON PEDOPHILE PRIEST AND JW ELDERS: Click the following link which tells of Jeff Anderson and other attorneys using the Rico law to go after pedophile Catholic priests. Anderson is dealing with a case in Missouri, though the scandal is tending to envelope numerous if not all states in the USA now. This Rico strategy has implications for pedophile Jehovah's Witness elders and other pedophiles among JWs also obviously, and in fact Anderson is litigating on behalf of Erica Rodriguez who is suing the Watchtower Society: http://www.twincities.com/mld/pioneerpress/2917022.htm
JW FAMILY MURDER/SUICIDE IN FRANCE: This is from Chasson who found it in the Parisian, a French newspaper, but given in smoother English: "A TERRIBLE family drama occurred Saturday evening in an apartment in Linas. A 35 year old woman killed her son, 2 years old, before hanging herself with a cord. According to a priliminary investigation by the police station in Arpajon, the little boy died from drugs. His father discovered the tragedy at the end of the evening, upon returning from work. Placed in police custody, he was set free Sunday evening. When the police officers and the helps arrive at the couple's home, located along the Fonceaux road in Linas, about midnight, it was unfortunately already too late.
The mother lay on the ground in the hallway. Her son lay upon a bed in his room. The father, a company manager, age 45, explained that he had just discovered the bodies. But the police officers decided to place him custody, in particular while waiting for the results of the two autopsies. Practised toxicological experts on Sunday confirmed death was by hanging for the mother, as well as for the little boy. Nevertheless, additional toxicological studies have just been ordered to help with the investigation. The police officers are trying to determine the precise reasons for this horrible tragedy. They want to also know if the fact that the couple belonged to Jehovah's Witnesses may have a bearing. T.S. The Parisian, February 26, (Tuesday) 2002" Comment: unclear is why the article says at first the little boy died from drugs then later from hanging?? Perhaps something suffered in translation?
RELIGIOUS INFLUENCE ON ANDREA YATES: The following super-long link tells that Andrea Yates, who murdered 5 children, was profounded influenced for the worse by preacher Michael Peter Woroniecki who may be driving his bus-home with 6 children aboard even now toward a large public event near some of the homes of you who are reading this. He became a virtual member of the Yates family, his distinctive phrases part of Andrea's damnation-obsessed vocabulary. He did not tell Andrea Yates to kill her children but some believe he played a role in her descent from mental illness to homicidal psychosis. Woroniecki preaches against birth control, states women are born contentious, speaks of Satan possession, eternal damnation in hellfire and publishes the Perilous Times. Most significantly-seeming he teachers children not "saved" by age 13 to 14 are damned to hellfire and Yate's lawyers argued that this belief was why she drowned her children in a bathtub. Woronicki has denied this, blaming Yates' husband for "love with working for NASA" rather than love for Andrea, and adds that he himself is "just like any other guy" who however chooses to yell Jesus and preach. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/GIS.Servlets.HTMLTemplate?
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LEST WE FORGET: In 1999 a mass cult murder-suicide occurred in Uganda, Africa, involving a sect which split from the Catholic Church. Click on the following http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/africa/newsid_689000/689560.stm
TRADITIONAL RELIGIOUS SEX ABUSE IN AFRICA: Because of the sins of their ancestors some girls and women are condemned to perpetual sex slavery for the gratification of priests in local religion in or around Ghana in West Africa. Some readers may find this disturbing and some items may not be suitable for non-adult readers. Details: http://www.thelinkup.com/slave.html
BROOKLYN'S BIZARRE, SECRET SEX RING: The following includes some frank discussion which some readers may find disturbing and which may not be suitable for non-adult readers. It is about a sex scandal among Episcopalians. http://www.thelinkup.com/bizarre.html
WHAT SHELBY WROTE ABOUT THE RECENT BRYANT MURDERS/SUICIDES IN OREGON: Mar 20, 2002 19:02 The following appeared at http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=23997&site=3 We do not vouch for its full authenticity and as a precaution have edited out here a personal name which Shelby had given. But it does look very interesting in part as it may be speaking of schezophrenic visions or electronic projections of sounds, voices, pictures among JWs:
"I wish to share something with you that I had NO idea of until just a few minutes ago. After listening to my Lord direct me to go back and read and read and read, I must say, dear ones, that I knew Robert and Janet (Jannie) Bryant from Shingle Springs, CA, personally. He was the grandson of my good friend, Laura, the 96-year-old sister who held my hand the first time I ate and drank in the kingdom hall, and who stood by me as my persecution started, standing up for me. Until the elders moved her to a 'rest home' in Placerville (next door to Shingle Springs), were she died within months. And no, she was not sick! I had asked if she could come live with me and my family (they had been granted conservatorship of her by her JW family), and they said, no, that I was not a good influence on her... or she on me. So, I had to drive 50 miles one-way once a week to visit her. [Please bear with me... my heart is breaking, right now...]
When I was still in the organization and first started to tell folks that I was 'hearing', and what I was hearing, Robert came to see me. He lived just 'up the hill' from me (I live in Sacramento). Why did he come? Because he was 'hearing', too. And he had had a couple of visions, which he understood very clearly, but was afraid to tell anyone about. He had heard about me, and at the behest of his grandmother wanted to see what I was about and maybe talk to someone who could understand what was happening to him. This was in 1997.
We shared a lot of experiences... and fears. I told Robert that I had been told by my Lord that they would eventually expel us (there were others...), and he agreed. Shortly thereafter, my 'meetings' started, and soon, so did his. There was one difference, though: while I had a total of 14 meetings with no more than 3 'elders' present, Robert only had a few. But... at times there were 12 elders at his... and they 'railroaded' him, dear ones... BIG time! He would call me, terrified, and I tried to be supportive and comforting, but eventually, he told me that he was just going to be quiet, forget what he had seen and heard and go along with the elders.
The reason for this is, he said, he couldn't take the pressure: his uncle, - - (YES! I NAMED him and will name him again!), a former PO of mine whose congregation met in the same hall as the congregation I attended at the time... headed applied the greatest pressure. I knew Robert was faltering, and I tried to offer him all of the support... and love... I could. I did not condemn him for his fear, for I understood it: those boys can be QUITE intimidating, especially if they are family, and especially if you are a meek and timid man such as Robert was. [Oh, God, this would have killed Laura! Robert, Jannie and their kids, were her LOVES... her ONLY family that treated her with any modicum of love and kindness. The rest thought her crazy and difficult, because she professed to be anointed, to 'hear' and 'see', and didn't just roll over for the brothers.]
I don't know what to say... I am at a loss for my COMPLETE AND UTTER HATRED for those men right now has no words. I will repent and ask for forgiveness for my hard heart later... and I WILL forgive them... but right now I cannot help it! I guess Robert finally took a stand; I mean, I know that even if one wishes to deny the Master and the gifts, one can only do so for so long, before one will want to die... because for US... there IS no other life. I do not know what pushed Robert to this action, and no, I offer no excuse for it other than I understand what it is like to be as we are (he and I and others), and live in denial. Had I let those men... and some here on jw.com and other places... talk ME out of what I know to be true, I cannot say that I would not have sunk to despair as well. Maybe not to the same level, but life would be pretty unbearable.
Dear ones, they took everything from him, as they have from many others: his family, his livelihood... and his hope. Truly, what is left? Yes, I know... the family he killed. Oh, Robert! Merciful Father, JAH, Holy One of Israel and Creator of the heavens and earth, I beg you, through my Lord and Master, your Son and Christ, JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH, that if these men are responsible for the depth of my brother's despair, that you not hold this error against such men, and that you also find it in your large heart to have mercy upon Robert and remember him and his family. Yet, let not my will, but yours take place. For the Robert I knew would want it that way.
For any of you who don't understand, I am sorry. I am. I have no justification, for there is none, truly. I only wished to share with you what I DO know, of the man Robert Bryant... and what COULD have made him become so desperate. I leave the matter in my Father's hands. A [VERY sorrowful] slave of Christ,
Shelby Johnson"
BUDDHA RELIC SHARED BY CHINA AND TAIWAN: In 1981 a flood caused an ancient pagoda at Famen Temple to collapse in Xian, Central China. Archaelogists were stunned when they found a miniature stone casket inside of which was preserved the one and only known relic of the Buddha: his finger. As a good will gesture, although at odds politically, the government of mainland China has allowed the relic to be displayed at a temple in Taiwan. Details at http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/asia-pacific/newsid_1879000/1879607.stm
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