The Nature of God

by sabastious 40 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • sabastious
    sabastious

    I know that Judaism and Christianity are strongly self professed monotheistic religions. Yet, I wonder how they can so definitively say this when the word they chose to use as the Deity in the beginning of their Holy Scripture is a plural. Genesis 1:1, and all of Genesis chapter 1, uses the word "Elohim" which is the plural form of "Eloah" which is the prolonged form of "El." All three of the words can be used to describe a god, gods, or The God.

    The first instance of the Tetragrammaton in the Bible is in Genesis 2:5 where we see "Elohim Yahweh." So, by the beginning of the second chapter we have been shown a plural form and then a specialized plural form. We are also shown that the Entity in Genesis 1 speaks using terms like " kid·mu·tê·nu" which means "to our likeness." This furthers the theme of basically a Multigod that works in harmony making up a singular God force. Essentially a creative force.

    In vs 26 of Genesis 1 we see this Entity creating man in their own likeness and then in vs 27 it identifies mankind as male and female. Therefore it is logical to assume that this God Entity is also pluralized as male and female as they made humanity in the same structure as themselves. It is also logical to assume that the Spirt of God mentioned in Genesis 1:2 to be a feminine entity of the Elohim model. A comparable, more contemporary term would be "Mother Earth." By Genesis 2:5 we have seen both the feminine and masculine versions of God. This is further understood from the archelogy of the Cannanite God's of Asherah and Yahweh which was, for a time, the way to worship God, but was eventually deemed idolatry and the idea was destroyed. Yet, we see right in the text where such an idea could have been derived.

    Now, if you jump to John 1:1 you can see why the Christian's add in a third element. They have a character called the Word of God and they assert him to have been there since the Beginning. Now this character is vital to the true understanding of Genesis 1 because there are only two God characters present with a rational and logical reading of Genesis chapter 1. In the early days of Christianity it would have been a stretch to add in a third character using the text provided in Gen 1. However, that's exactly what John 1:1 does. It's telling you to go back to the beginning of the Bible and read it with this new idea in mind. Where can you find this third character identified as the Word? The answer, in part, is that you are reading the words and therfore you are the Word of God. You are the one that the Word dwells within because you are who they are taking about in Genesis 1:26. You are made in the image of God. The first page of the Bible is partly addressed to the reader simply because the reader is human.

    So, now you know that you are a god because you are a child of The God according to the text. You are part of the family simply because you take in the breath of life on a daily basis. Simply because you drink from the spring of life because you have to. You would die from thirst if you did not partake and if done willingly would be a disrespect of life. Yet, also realize that you are only PART of the whole, not the whole itself. There is only one Entity worthy of worship and the rest serve as slaves. That is the way it was created from the start to work, we were never meant to act on our own accord, but in union with our Creator. Slavery is only as bad as the Master makes it out to be. And in the instance of humanity we are given an incredible amount of freedom. So much so that there is a large group of people on this planet who believe we have too much. The Word of God consists of the children of God lead by the Spirit of Truth in heaven who died for humanity on a cross in the 1st century. This would include the male and female prototypes for humanity mentioned in Genesis 1:27 and the mythological figures of Adam and Eve. However the Word of God was WITH God in the Beginning even before the creation of man. The nature of this Aspect is a complicated endeavor to grasp and stretches all the way back to the Bing Bang itself and beyond. The Word is needed in ways we still do not yet fully understand, but we know that he was needed. There has to be an Eternal King to lead or else it's eternal warfare which just allows no flesh to remain.

    The Structure of God is a family and we know this because WE are a family. As an infant we start out as one and even if we break away we are in an eternal search for people of like body, mind and spirit, it's just our nature.

    -Sab

  • botchtowersociety
    botchtowersociety

    Everything is a family, in the sense that all things are related. In orthodox Christian theology, even God is a relationship since God is three persons in an eternal relationship with each other.

  • Qcmbr
    Qcmbr

    That's what happens when you steal another religion's gods and pass them off as your own.

  • Chariklo
    Chariklo

    Botch, yes, it is, and that loving relationship that is the essence within the Godhead, so to speak, is what is known as the hypostatic union, that relationship of love existing within the Three Persons of the One God, which the ignorant JW's belittle and caricature as a three-headed god.

    Because they simply don't understand.

    Sab, your opening post is very interesting and I go along with you quite a way, but perhaps not altogether, although in some senses you are right. I'll need to think how to respond to that very well-presented exposition.

  • unstopableravens
    unstopableravens

    yup let us make man in "our " image . jesus is god . i dont know why jws would admit this but whatever. jesus is god by nature

  • Finkelstein
    Finkelstein

    One should truthfully accept the vicariousness and creativity of the human imagination, particular concerning the construct of deities from man.

  • sabastious
    sabastious
    That's what happens when you steal another religion's gods and pass them off as your own.

    Q, if you create a piece of intellectual property how can you claim that it is yours alone? Without a full understanding of your own nature it will always remain a mystery. Yes, no other person created it, but what did you USE to create the property? How did you obtain the tools necessary to accomplish the task? I know your basic answer, but an in depth description of your beliefs in this regard would be informative.

    Now if you believe that we are actually in some kind of illusion then really NO ONE owns your intellectual property. Which is the same difference as claiming that what one creates is the property of God. You say that you have the closest relation to the product because you created it, however who created you? Even the most seasoned rationalist must admit a slight chance of having a Creator.

    To act as if the religions of the past actually owned a copyright on what they created when attempting to explain God is folly. The Torah says that ALL people were created in the image of God and therefore ANYTHING they create is ALSO HIS including any God framework that just so happens to contain truth. In fact within the God structure spelled out in the OP the Word of God created those God frameworks, just as he created the words of Genesis 1. And just like Genesis the original God frameworks were used to assume power and create a kingdom that opposes the true Creator. No matter what polytheistic structure you work with they all leave behind philosophical questions such as, "Who created the God's?" This type of question would be on the minds of the adherents of polytheism. Instead of answerthing the question a legalistic structure is created to supress questions like that, which is exactly what groups like LDS and the Watchtower accomplish. They are essentially polytheists masquerading as monotheists. Both fall prey to legalism which is just what happened to the Greeks, Romans and even the Jews.

    So basically what I am saying is that the "plagiarism" argument is pretty lack luster. It will work on the weak-minded, but not anyone else.

    yup let us make man in "our " image . jesus is god . i dont know why jws would admit this but whatever. jesus is god by nature

    Yes, but it's rather tricky finding Jesus in the chapter where that is written. Without the Gospel of John the truth about the Word in the Beginning would basically be hidden truth. The Torah and the Talumud are full of hidden truths and like islands in the sea they just are waiting to be discovered.

    -Sab

  • NewChapter
    NewChapter

    That's a nice thought, BTS.

    Sab, from my reading I understand that Yahweh was a god of war. The Israelites adopted this god (perhaps because they were in war mode) and elevated him to the only god. When we look at the many personalities of this god, some very opposed to other personalities, it really does make sense that they may have been trying to evolve this god into one that encompassed a bit more than war. Perhaps borrowing traits from other gods, or simply giving this god a fuller spectrum of human emotions.

    It might be helpful to really research the other gods of the area and time. There are many parallels to other ancient Mesopotamian gods---even in their laws.

  • unstopableravens
    unstopableravens

    yeah i agree sab. because really jesus is the man and before that he was the word but gen 18 there are three jehovahs. theres a few places in the ot where god shows his truine nature.

  • Qcmbr
    Qcmbr

    sab - by what standard do you elevate the gods of the ancient semitic tribes to the creator as described by Roman orthodox christianity?

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