by lv4fer 15 Replies latest jw friends
bluesapphire, I just seen this in a book that I am currently reading. It was referring to the sacraments as coming from the mysteries of pre-Christian, Egyptian, Cretan traditions. As soon as I find the quote I will pass it on.
Will
"I am quite sure now that often, very often, in matters concerning religion and politics a man's reasoning powers are not above the monkey's."
Mark Twain
From the book, "Freemasonry and its Ancient Mystic Rites" pages 72 and 73, it refers to the Christian Eucharist as been borrowed from earlier Essenes and Mithraic traditions. The following reads:
The Essenes and the Christ
"The tradition of the Mysteries was transmitted from century to century, until we find it among the Essenes, who also appear to have inherited Chaldean rites. It was in this school that the disciple Jesus lived in preparation for His ministry, after receiving a high initiation into the true Mysteries of Egypt. The Essenes had among other Chaldean rites inherited what was afterwards known as the Mithraic Eucharist, the ceremony of bread and wine and salt, which, as we shall see later, was transmitted through the ages until it was incorporated in the modern degree of the Rose-Croix of Heredom. The consecration of those elements was and is wonderful. though there is not so full a descent of the Divine Presence as in the corresponding ritual of Amen used in ancient Egypt. It seems probable. however, that the Lord Christ took the Mthraic supper as the basis of His holy Eucharist, and while preserving the ancient symbolism of the elements changed them into His own special vehicle, symbolized as His Body and Blood - the very closest and most intimate of all sacraments known to man."
"The Mithraic Eucharist brought the worshippers into close touch with the divine Life; the mystic supper of the Rose-Croix lifts the Sovereign Prince into a wonderful union with Christ, the Lord of love; in the ritual of Amen the Brn. bowed to each who had partaken of the sacrament saying, "Thou art Osiris." The holy Eucharist of the Christian Church is the last and most wonderful of all, for in it we receive Him, the Lord of Love and the sacred Host is just as fully and perfectly His vehicle as was the body of Jesus in Palestine two thousand years ago. It seems probable that He took the existing sacrament which was regularly celebrated in the Essene community, and transfigured it into another and holier Eucharist, which has become the glory of His Church from generation to generation."
Will
"I am quite sure now that often, very often, in matters concerning religion and politics a man's reasoning powers are not above the monkey's."
Mark Twain
A woman at my old hall always partakes. She claims to be annointed of course, but the elders have always doubted her. Still they never say a word when she partakes.
Never Squat With Yer Spurs On
My mom partook, and she was questioned after and disfellowshipped a month later for "staring at the elders on stage" and "not singing" so, yes, if you are in a volatile congregation, if they don't agree with you, then who knows what happens? Her disfellowshipping was recinded (taken off the books like it never happened) later, and she partakes at another hall and no one says a thing there, so I think it depends on the elders at your hall.
I've known witnesses who partook one year and not the next, some who took the bread and not the wine. Go figure!!!
I believe the Society's official ststement is that if a Witness bagan to partake, then the congregation is to respect that wish that they believe they are anointed. However, the underlying gfactor is, they are most likely NOT.
A few questions from my observations here.......
** " If your going to call yourself a Christian you better take of the emblems. Otherwise you will be saying "NO" to Christ body just like Satan worshippers do around the world on Niasin 14th."**
KJV, interesting falacy you write of here. Firstly how does a person say NO to christs body ?? Christ died for all didnt he ?? There is no rejection process possible is there ??
KJV, Your general falacy statement that Satan worshippers ( there are literally dozens of analogious groups of people that offer their religious title as a satan worshiper ) hand around wine and bread for the purpose of not partaking in it makes zero sense to me. How would that be in harmony with their orship of satan. I know quite a bit about these different analogious groups and i have never heard of any that do this. Please follow up with the details or references on this, otherwise retract the comment.
KJV, you say ...
** "The Society has it bassackwards. They should allow everybody to take of the emblems and only the annointed get baptised. When you got baptised you baptised your body to die to be with Christ in Heaven."
Am i missing something. If you had a case in point you would firstly have to establish that ( by the bible references, you know the big book !! ), it is unchristian to not partake, which would lead you to the arduous task of trying to prove that there is really only one flock, the ones in the new covenant, etc etc, therefore qualifying your above statement by stating that the society's policy is wrong blah blah. You do more detrement to your seemingly opinionated cause by making statements like that above, written as if they are established facts, than to offer a hypothesis. Your following logic about christ in heaven comment also is a mystery to me. Please further on about the source of this " new and improved light "
KJV,
There is nowhere in the Bible that says that baptism is a symbol of ones dedication to God. Pure rubbish!!
Yes mate i agree, your statement is pure rubbish. Boy did you do ANY searching at all before articulating such a brilliantly conceptualised and logically lucid brainwave ??
If your comments above are simply an embarising faux-pas due to a constricted avalablility of time, its understandable, but if it is due to a constricted over modified ability to convey your thoughts accurately, then please do me a favour, and change your signature to " one that thought not wisely, but not enough "
ALSO, from mouthy, a further explanation is humbly requested on your comment as follows.
" Why would anyone want to take their emblems....They are in name of Micheal the Ark angel, Not in the Name of the Biblical Jesus"
Prefering to err on the side of appearing to be a nute, and at the risk of sounding like Ms Pauline HANSON, PLEASE EXPLAIN ???
