by Honeybucket 46 Replies latest watchtower medical
update from an elder:
You cannot be a witness if you grow pot. They say the fed government on growing squashes state law or iniatives. Also a more bible trained conscience will not allow themselves to smoke pot and med marijuana patients should ween themselves off and will need to confess their errors to the elders for in order to regain gods holy spirit.
Yet it's entirely OK for elders, piosneers, COs and DOs to be totally enslaved by caffine. And 90% of the dubs I know go overboard with alcohol (which is far more damaging on the body.)
I recently had a conversation about edible cannabinol (THC) with an elder. He said, if it's legal in the state you live in for medical reasons and you're not doing it for recreational use, the elders really can't enforce anything. He spoke from experience having recently dealt with the issue in his congregation. However, he did say that it would have to be administered by ingestion or vaporization. Smoking would still be prohibited due to the damaging effect of smoke on the lungs. Cancer patients would especially receive more leeway. They will strongly advise the patient to keep it confidential as it would introduce a huge stumbling situation within the KHall.
They have no say over a State's ability to regulate a controlled substance, the Attorney General has been quiet since Colorado and Washington passed the new law. If you want to throw this out into the JWN Forum, I can tell you elders who believe "OxyMorphone", "Viccodin" "Norco", "oxycontin" are evil because they are made from opium, does that make their opinion valid?
It's ok to get drunk with booze but wrong to use medical mary-jane? You can accept "blood fragments" processed at facilities used to secure "whole blood products" but it's a sin to donate blood!
Why are you listening to men who have no authority over you, unless you handing your freedom over (Romans 6:15-18)
" 15 Well then, since God's grace has set us free from the law, does that mean we can go on sinning? Of course not! 16 Don't you realize that you become the slave of whatever you choose to obey? You can be a slave to sin, which leads to death, or you can choose to obey God, which leads to righteous living. 17 Thank God! Once you were slaves of sin, but now you wholeheartedly obey this teaching we have given you. 18 Now you are free from your slavery to sin, and you have become slaves to righteous living."
Bible ritual involves a mind-altering drug. Bible ritual involves "Wine" - an alcohol rich spirit.
Get over it.
- Lime
JWN posters have established the abuse of wine is rampant in the Organization, dating back to Judge Rutherfords affintiy for the "drink". Which Bible rituals are highlighted in a positive way with heavy wine drinking? Noah? Lot, Boaz, Hopni, Phinas, and Eli, Aaron (High Priest sons) "Drunkards of Ephraim"
Bible views on drunkards " Ephesians 5:
15 Look carefully then how you walk, not as unwise but as wise, 16 making the best use of the time, because the days are evil. 17 Therefore do not be foolish, but understand what the will of the Lord is. 18 And do not get drunk with wine, for that is debauchery, but be filled with the Spirit, 19 addressing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody to the Lord with your heart, 20 giving thanks always and for everything to God the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, 21 submitting to one another out of reverence for Christ."
KNOX" Galatians 5:
" 18 It is by letting the spirit lead you that you free yourselves from the yoke of the law. 19 It is easy to see what effects proceed from corrupt nature; they are such things as adultery, impurity, incontinence, luxury, 20 idolatry, witchcraft, feuds, quarrels, jealousies, outbursts of anger, rivalries, dissensions, factions, 21 spite, murder, drunkenness, and debauchery. I warn you, as I have warned you before, that those who live in such a way will not inherit God's kingdom. 22 Whereas the spirit yields a harvest of love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, generosity, forbearance, 23 gentleness, faith, courtesy, temperateness, purity. [ d ] No law can touch lives such as these; 24 those who belong to Christ have crucified nature, with all its passions, all its impulses. 25 Since we live by the spirit, let the spirit be our rule of life; 26 we must not indulge vain ambitions, envying one another and provoking one another to envy. "
KJV 21 1 PETER 5:8:
8 Be sober, be vigilant, because your adversary the devil walketh about as a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour"
NLT Isaiah 5:
"What sorrow for those who get up early in the morning
looking for a drink of alcohol
and spend long evenings drinking wine
to make themselves flaming drunk.
12 They furnish wine and lovely music at their grand parties-
lyre and harp, tambourine and flute-
but they never think about the Lord
or notice what he is doing."
We have a local Congregation where elders get together and get "shit-faced" as they bash sisters and brothers on "anti-depressants" or pain medications. Getting drunk is cool according to their understanding of the Bible.
'They will strongly advise the patient to keep it confidential as it would introduce a huge stumbling situation within the KHall.'
I concur w that. I have had first hand experience w stumbling w use of the stuff. Not in the kinghall, though. Stumbers within the kinghall should be watched for.
S
It's not the smartest idea to sit in front of your house with your Afghani Water Pipe smoking "Blue Bob Marley Sticky Orange Bomb", is it?
Who has carries the best seeds, the "Dutch" companies, people with no agriculture can't grow a weed? They get all male plants?
You cannot be a witness if you grow pot. They say the fed government on growing squashes state law or iniatives. Also a more bible trained conscience will not allow themselves to smoke pot and med marijuana patients should ween themselves off and will need to confess their errors to the elders for in order to regain gods holy spirit.
You cannot be a witness if you do a lot of things.
WEEN THEMSELVES OFF? Your ignorance is astounding. Pot is NOT addictive. Get an education.
Pharmaceuticals do MUCH more harm. You don't have a clue.
tal
*shaking her head in disbelief at the ignorance out there, when knowledge is just a 'click' away *
tal, we had elders running out of 80mg oxycontin x 2 daily (60 pills per 30 day cycle) plus (6x10 mg hydromorphone equals 180 pills per 30 day cycle) by their third week on these drugs for back pain ( We had a brother pass out during a elder meeting and I drove him to the ER to get a shot of pain medication and liquid valium). Doctor shopping heading to Los Angeles (It's the most liberal city, almost like Florida's relaxed pain pill drive thru)to buy more pain medications (cash payments because of class A drugs) and these men were disfellowshiping Witnesses for Marijuana. See how what they do is more righteous than smoking pot? You can see their pain is real, the pain suffered by users of marijuana is not! Don't forget to add all the "Soma, Xanax 2 MG and Valium 10 MG" for sleeping aids too, but's that cool because the doctor gave it to them!
