We need more muslims on here.
Stronger Christian presence on JWN?
by Christ Alone 51 Replies latest jw friends
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rickisteel
the gladiator " indecision clouds my vision "
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notjustyet
I've wondered, on another forum,(JWR) why when we leave the WTBTS some stop at the next plateau and decide that Christianity is still good and where it is at while others decide to go the core, no beliefs in a omniotent being and decide to verfiy everything before moving forward in a belief system, it at all.
I wonder if there was a poll conducted, if the born ins tend to go direct to agnostic/atheist and the converted to JWs from christianity stop at christianity?
Possibly the born ins have christianity tied to th WTBTS so when they find it is a lie, they clean house entirely since the WTBTS and christianity are inseperable whereas the Converts have the WTBTS beliefs tagged onto their former belief in a God and Jesus etc.
How futile for a person to be taken to the cleaners by the WTBTS belief for all these years just to be so sure that they got it right this time, without really doing any unbiased research and are just making life altering decisions based on assumptions.
I'm the "get back to basics' kinda person and feel that you have to unshackle your mind from any preconcieved ideas about a God etc and remove any Carrot from before you to be able to make a informed decision. To quote Carl Sagan, "I donlt want to believe, I want to know"
I see "faith" as a bridge that is used to make the leap between lack of evidence. I do not see it as a good thing to have as I think that it allows the "user" to stop researching and looking for evidence to back up their claim for their beliefs.
NJY
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brinjen
Variety is the spice of life as the saying goes and one of the things I love about this board is the variance in our beliefs. We're one huge, disfunctional family that can debate and argue on one thread, while at the same time have a friendly chat and share a joke or two on another.
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mamochan13
I wonder if there was a poll conducted, if the born ins tend to go direct to agnostic/atheist and the converted to JWs from christianity stop at christianity?
That's a very interesting question, notjustyet. Worth its own thread. It may depend on why you left. Personally as a born-in, my faith was on a journey. While I faded I still beleived in JWs. Even once I was fully out, I still believed in god and the bible and christianity for a while, although I kept matters of spirituality and faith tightly locked up because I didn't want to think about them.
It wasn't until I studied different philosophies in university and embraced existentialism that I started to really question what I had believed in any serious way. After my grandchildren came along and started asking me profound questions about life, god, Santa clause, etc., I realized I was an atheist agnostic.
It seems like there are a lot of believers here, but I think it has always been that way. I don't recall as many polarizing discussions about the topic before, though.
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Chariklo
I was "in" the JW's for a rather short time, really. I walked out in February this year. I am now just about where I was before I started with them.
When I left, I didn't know where I would go or even if I would go anywhere. Only back in October dis something happen that made me look afresh at everything and took me back to the Catholic Church from which I. Came. Not yet, though, to the parish in my own town. Problems in that church were what made me susceptible to the JW's in the first place, and those problems are the same. But I go to a town half an hour's drive away, where there is a god, very spiritual priest and no-one bothers me, but everyone is pleasant, and where, most of all, I can pray in silence, which is what Catholics do, very different from JW's.
However, that is not all of my spirituality. I find all major religions to have good in them, and I am very tuned in to New Age and even pagan thinking. I do not think tha God confines his mercies to one group or another, and I believe the spiritual world is rich and varied and that no-one and no one group knows the whole of it. I am only now back fully embracing the wonderful spiritual breadth and wealth around us. That includes Shelby and her forum! :)
To me, it's all a joyful experience!
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cofty
Problems in that church were what made me susceptible to the JW's in the first place, and those problems are the same
Is that a pedophile priest by any chance?
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Chariklo
No.
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THE GLADIATOR
rickisteel the gladiator " indecision clouds my vision "
Sometimes it's better to be indecisive than grab hold of a belief in something just so we can say we have made our mind up. Then we are able to stop thinking, enquiring, wondering, growing; all activities that make being human so great.
I am prepared to remain indecisive for the rest of my life. In fact, ignorance is bliss.
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Kevun
Everyone should be expecting quite a few more silent viewers. With the "new light" chopping the legs out from under the "anointed", we should expect quite a few new silent viewers stopping by. I personally expect a few of the "anointed" to seek fame elsewhere. Many will not like their demotion.
////But what can they say, the WT had to do something about the increase in partakers, and the GBs new light not falling in line with some of the ideas of the "anointed". ------