A thought experiment about what it means "to be" GOD

by Terry 143 Replies latest watchtower bible

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  Perry

  Interestingly, we find the number 3 popping up all over creation .....repeatedly.

  For example, God is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

  God is omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent.

  We find the number 3 representing God as if it was His trademark. The curious thing about this trademark is that it shows up in various places, starting with his creation... It took God six days to create everything. He could have done it much sooner but He chose six (3 x 2) days.

  He made the atom with 3 parts (electron, neutron, proton) and used it to create a world with 3 parts (land, sea, air), all within a universe with 3 parts (matter, time, space).

  He created time with 3 divisions (past, present, future) and gave space its 3 dimensions (up/down, left/right/ forward/backward). He created matter with its normal, you guessed it, 3 states (solid, liquid, gas).

  When He created life on earth, this trademark was not far behind. Animals were created to live in 3 areas (in land, in water, in air). He made their survival to depend on 3 essentials (food, water, air), the food providing energy in 3 forms (protein, carbohydrates, fat), the water made up of 3 parts (two parts hydrogen, one part oxygen) and the air primarily consisting of 3 parts (78% nitrogen, 21% oxygen, .93% argon.).

  His greatest creation, man, was made in 3 parts also (body, soul, spirit): "...I pray God your whole Spirit and Soul and Body be preserved..." 1 Thessalonians 5:23

  Now one would think God would get tired of using the number 3, but He also stamps his trademark throughout His Word the Bible... 66 (3 x 22) Books in the bible [39 (3 x 13) in the Old Testament- 27 (3 x 9) in the New Testament] 31,173 (3 x 10,391) Verses in the Bible [23,214 (3 x 7738) in the O.T.- 7959 (3 x 2653) in the N.T.]

  Within the Bible itself we find many appearances of the number 3. There were 333 prophecies concerning the coming of Jesus Christ into the world. Jesus Christ was crucified at the age of 33, after a ministry that lasted 3 years. He spent nine (3 x 3) hours on the cross, with 3 of those hours in darkness.

  He was buried for 3 days and 3 nights, and resurrected on the 3rd day. In fact, the word three is mentioned in the Bible 543 (3 x 181) times!

  The universe and the Bible have their Creator's trademark stamped all over them. God wants us to recognize both as His handiwork. It's his logo.

  Read:

  Romans 1:20

  For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead
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  mP

  There are a few gods, for the Catholics its the Pope, JWs the GB, those guys invent whatever whenver they wish. Its that simple. A God is simply somehow who wants authority. Look at the Romans, the Caesars were gods because they could give life and take it as they wished. ALl were of course men noting more nothing less, albeit in positions of power. THe fact the Cof E is the Queen and the same was true for all other national churches tells us that the institution of course answers to the ruling power. The same was true in Ancient Egypt, etc

  Its that simple
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  prologos

  ""to be" or not to be, that is the question" from the Bard. "I think, therefore I am." quoted. when we are saying "to be" do we mean being conscious, thinking.?

  here are my naive, simplistic thoughts on this:

  1) our evolved or created minds demand a cause (we experience it all the time)(even accidents have causes) but are stumped when we come up against the truly enormous quantities of the ALL (universe) we can perceive. We can think about, and show a math symbol for infinity, eternity(infinite time) but not truly comprehend it. Some yearn to see a personal creator as the cause and have him living in eternal time.

  2) we think best in pictures The Teacher: Math 13:34. even Math formulae, equations are pictures of sorts. --some good illustrations, models have one or more dimensions removed for clarity to fit into our minds. In thinking about of God as a being , a person, it helps to take dimensions out of the picture, for example: eternal time. 3) Can we agree that the Universe the ALL had a beginning? But we are talking about the MATERIAL universe, energy, matter and its associated gravity, its expansion, its relentless movement through time. The Big Beginning, the climb out of the singularity.

  4) some involved scientists realize that there are pre-bigbang conditions, even pre-bigbang time. so here is illustrated my humble understanding of

  what it means " to be" God.

  a) look at the time on your computer, write it down.

  b) take a piece of paper, draw a line on it. [ "Post it" (r) of the 3M company] pad will do.

  c) draw a crossing line on it.

  e) fold the paper to turn at least one line 90degr. up at the crease.

  f) look at the time and write it down again.

  so here you have filled the three dimensions of space with something (lines) and you have done it in time. recorded time.

  How are you as a living model different from GOd here?

  Your time as a beeing is not eternal but started at conception, you wrote on paper, not the intangible dimensions of expanding space.

  you were thinking , causing this to happen, you thought before you started , you are outside that folded paper, the computer clock is still recording.

  You have, I think in a small very small way an understanding what it means "to be" God a creator. . peace.
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  Twitch

  Well, it could be said that it is impossible to know what it is to BE god. That which is less than cannot be the whole.

  The experiment is futile as it's result will differ with each sample.

  It's impossible to know every sample

  lol
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  cyberjesus

  Creationist: "God created everything... its impossible that the universe came out of nothing, that sums it up"

  Creationist's child "Dad, what did God used to create everything?"

  Creationist: "Uh Son, God created everything out of nothing"

  Creationist's child "Dad, i thought you said that it was impossible for the universe to be created out of nothing"

  Creationist: "uh, shut up kid, you can not understand God, who are you God?"
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  cyberjesus

  by the way Terry thanks for sharing your thought exercises... but see many of 'us' are ok being fat.
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  cyberjesus

  "bla bla bla"

  at least that statement was meant to mean nothing...
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  PSacramento

  Stop and think about this one point: does God come BEFORE the things he creates or not?

  If God is GOD He is not subject to time so the notion of "before" doesn't exist, BUT I do see where you are going so lets follow that path.

  If you answer "yes" then let's cut to the chase, okay? At whatever point in God's career he decided to begin creating let's begin this topic: RIGHT THERE.

  It seems to be an issue of time, beofe, after and all that, which applies ot OUR universe but ther eis no reason to believe it applies to any other BUT lets assume it does:

  If we keep going back and back in "time" to the point that God was before ( whatever before may mean) He created even HIS universe, far "before" He created Ours ( IF He created His universe because, for all we know, God may just be the first sentient being of a parallel universe that is infinitly older than ours, our universe that God created from His). If we start from there, what we have is a being that has always been ( for all intents and purposes), a being that is self-aware, self-relational and of such immense power that out of sheer will, this being creates matter and energy that starts the existence of what would be know as "Heaven". Billions of years before He does the samething to create Our universe.

  So, what was God doing "before" He created HIS universe?

  God " WAS" and for a self-sustaining and self-relational being ( something that we as realtional beings can't fully comprehend) that was enough.

  I think the question is WHY did God start the creative process.
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  EntirelyPossible

  He made the atom with 3 parts (electron, neutron, proton) and used it to create a world with 3 parts (land, sea, air), all within a universe with 3 parts (matter, time, space).

  Oh, sorry man. Atoms can exist with just proton and an electron. And they have more than three parts. As far as the universe goes, space and time are the same, so you're down to two.

  Also, you never answered my question. If there was no time before God created it, when did he find the time the create time?
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  Perry

  Entirely Possible,

  Naturalism can only take you back so far in a cause and effect digression. At some point, something outside this universe tanscended it and initiated the "First Cause". If you've got another explanation I'd like to hear it.