by FingersCrossed 18 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
One day I called an actuary with my questions
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Moshe, excuse my 'ignorance' but exactly how did you know
about an actuary and who in fact is this actuary?
Very interesting information,......
didn't know there was such a thing/person/position/organization!
clarity
Fingers Crossed ...thanks very for the links.
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The quote about the '144,000 dwindling down'
therefore we know armageddon is so close, is a
keeper!
clarity
When the number was getting smaller they called it a line of evidence that the end is near...now that the number is increasing they say the cause is emotional instability of the partakers...that they don't actually know how many annointed remain.
WTS/JW = FAKE that's for sure
But here is one dumb question ~ How did the "anointed" know they are the anointed? Were they appointed by the elders/WTS or what? And how would the WTS decide the if the "annointed" ones were truly the annointed? What were the criterias or sign/wonders used to determine they are?
FingersCrossed: Thank you for this topic. I like to deal with it as IF the BIBLE is still a VALID guide in matters spiritual. Many here as you know, have even questioned that. rightly so.
If you see a doctrinal house that continually keeps developing serious cracks in the wall, ceiling and floors you know you have a foundation issue, a serious structural problem. even if the symptoms are shifting only, what is at the base, the heart of the 144 000 dilemma? using the bible and working back from Rev. 7 you said:
"--144 000--not chosen until Great TABULATION time--" (The tribulation finishes the tabulation). dont give the WTBS ideas, they will say that the sealing started in 1919! No! If you look at Rev14, it is seen that the 144 000 are special and most certainly include the faithful APOSTLES ,therefore the sealing started at PENTECOST 33 and FINISHES at the GT. the angels know exactly what they are doing and they are not telling us. 12 spiritual tribes only known by them. So here where the scriptural foundation has its fatal flaws:
1) the other sheep are really the non-Jewish GENTILE CHRISTIANS, The "one flock" is not two-tier definenable , earth- and heavend destiny , see the context in John 10.
2) Jesus' spiritual brothers and sisters are not self-declared remnant members but "--WHOEVER does the will of my father--is my brother--"Math.12:50! the parable of the sheep and the goats Math. 25 is about these -in Math. 10 defined- brother, sisters, not the OTHER sheep, and supposed "anointed".
3) all Christians should take the Bread and the Wine. at the last supper, Jesus served these to disciples that had rightly an EARTHLY HOPE!!! the NEW COVENANT CUP is for forgiveness of sins, is for gaining the standing of everlasting life, it is not for entry into the heavenly kingdom. The counting of the partakers is a farce, its wrong, because: a) all should partake, b) that count its only about those that are deluded to think they can SELF-SEAL themselfs, a job that is reserved for the angels. at least the vatican has a devils advocate in their saint-choosing process. to sum up:
given what the scriptures teach that : All doers of Gods will are Christs' brothers, sisters.
The other sheep are non-Jewish Christians
The sheep of Math:25 are NOT the Other sheep but Humanitarian workers.
All Christian should, must, partake of the bread and wine for everlasting life,
it is apparent that the hand-wringing about the PARTAKER-COUNT is wrong, is futile, is irrevelant ;-- its results, its analyses are meaningless, but expose clearly the flawed bibel studies of the WTBT inc's past. so, why would you think that a COUNT that has NO scriptural basis, Therefore NO meaning should have such important focus? other than proving our move-out is justified? dont worry about it, move on to better matter. peace to you'all.
who in fact is this actuary?
I found his name in a local newspaper story about Social Security, discussing the coming Social Security crisis ( they have had a crisis every generation)-- so, I called where he worked and asked to speak to him-
---back before the Internet, a person would actually call and write experts for information.
However, over the past few years instead of the number of those taking the emblems decreasing it has increased in number of those partaking of the bread and wine. This has caused the WT to once again change their view on this very important teaching and claiming to have "new light".
I think you have the cause and affect mixed up.
The reason for this change, in my opinion, seems to be related more to the fact that they are needing to take on new GB members that are born after 1935. In 2005, there were two new GB members appointed, both born after 1935, which led followers to question their worthiness since they were not even born in 1935.
In 2006 there was a slight increase in partakers. In the May edition 2007, so written prior to the 2007 memorial, there appeared the following comment that the calling did not necessarily close in 1935.
"Thus it appears that we can not set a specific date for when the calling of Christians to the heavenly hope ends." Watchtower 2007 May 1 p.31
Since then there has been even greater increases in partakers.
The increase in partakers since then seems to be a response to GB members claiming to be annointed in recent years, and the 2007 article.
Moshe ... genious! never would have thought of that!
When I see your avatar I think of this ...........>
http://www.oldradioworld.com/shows/Jack_Benny.php
clarity
jwfacts, have you posted anything regarding this yet in jwfacts.com?
