Marvin; I understand what you are saying, I think.
But it,s confusing as hell. But God you promise, (God) no I,m
showing you mercy. But God that,s not what you said.
(God) I know what I said and I don,t change my mind, it,s mercy.
How Would You Answer
by turtleturtle 23 Replies latest watchtower bible
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sd-7
A brother once explained away 1975 by saying "Jehovah changed his mind about the Ninevites, didn't he? Did that mean he was a false prophet? No."
We're not talking about the Ninevites. Explain how 1975 is related to Ninevites. Are you suggesting that God had actually planned to end the world in 1975 and then changed his mind? How would you know? Jesus said that only God knows when the end will come. Are you saying you know more than Jesus?
What were the reasons 1975 was stated as an end date? What about the end of 6,000 years of human history had anything to do with God's plans?
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AGuest
AGuest, so if my 5 year old grandson burn down our house and I tell him, I’m going to tan your hide,
but I show him mercy and I change my mind (right).
I’m not sure that’s an accurate comparison, dear jam (peace to you!). Now, let’s say your grandson kept playing with matches, setting, say, the garbage on fire, and you tell him that you’re gonna tan his hide. But then he listens to you and stops playing with matches. Why would you tan his hide then?
Or, okay, so he plays with matches, doesn’t listen to you... and burns down the house. BUT, he truly is sorry (he really didn’t get what burning down the house would wrought). You might WANT to tan his hide... but you think, nahhhh, I love that little guy too much. Besides I know him and I think he got it NOW.
The only reason I didn,t skin his hide is not because I,m showing mercy,
The ONLY reason you didn't? Well, perhaps for YOU. For JAH, in THIS scenario? Yes.
it,s because I might lose control.
Okay, I can see how that might be a good reason... for you. I wonder, though, if it’s because that’s the only reason YOU would show mercy that you assume that’s the ONLY reason JAH... or anyone else... would. I think I can safely say that not everyone would change their mind because they were afraid of losing their temper. Some, maybe, but not everyone.
So showing mercy or changing ones mind is the same.
Given your self-knowledge, I can see where you might see it that way, dear jam. But I can honestly state that that’s not true for ME. I rarely changed my mind when I told my kids something to the effect they would be restricted/punished... but I know I did. My children have a way of melting my heart. My daughter, when small, would heave a sigh, slump over and hang her head... as if my disappointment was THE worse thing she could imagine (yeah, she was over-exaggerating it, the drama queen). My son would beg and plead (NOT to get out of a spanking, but because he really did try and HATED being in any kind of “trouble.” He’s the same way today (hates trouble) and to his credit has never been in any. ANY).
Even so, I love those two idjits SO much, that it really wouldn’t take much for me to show mercy. Heck, it doesn't take much for me to show to three little dogs (who sometimes "forget" to go outside and do their business - forget, yeah, right... the butt in question was LAZY! LOLOL!)
Again, though, it wouldn’t be because I didn’t think I could control myself.
I may be wrong on this but that is the way I see it.
Well, you see it because you’re looking at YOU, dear one. Or perhaps YOUR father. Which is how MANY people “see” God: through themselves, their own parents, other authority figures, etc. Everything... except Christ. And so, their vision is... “off.” WAY off.
One other thing AGuest; Mercy is given to some and others Gods show no mercy.
Why spare the ninevites and not those wiped out in the flood, not one single family worthy of a little mercy.
Au contrare, dear one! Mercy is shown... ALWAYS... to anyone ASKING for it. And those in Nineveh, starting with the king... ASKED for it. Contrasted to those who lost their lives in the flood: through Noah the Most Holy One of Israel OFFERED mercy. Went to THEM. Even gave them a SIGN (the ark). They turned the offer DOWN. So...
So in other words, those who was shown no mercy will never,never, never repent
Oh, no! Who said THAT? Those were even shown mercy... AGAIN! Did you not hear of when my Lord went to THEM... to their SPIRITS... and preached to them... AGAIN?? These were blessed more than most of mankind because they got another chance to accept God’s Undeserved kindness (aka mercy/grace)... even AFTER having died!
even their kids, grandkids, great great grandkids will never repent.
Ummm... if they all died then, dear one... then... what kids, grandkids, great... well, you get the idea... The only ones left to have kids/grandkids... were Noah and his sons. You DO remember that... right?
If you want to truly see God, dear jam... and what He would TRULY do in a situation... look at Christ. Because he is the ONLY image we have of God. Nothing and no one else can show you. NOTHING... and NO ONE else.
Again, peace to you!
A slave of Christ,
SA
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Larsinger58
The JW concept that 6000 years of man's existence is connected to Armageddon is based on several things, including the presumption that Eve was created 1 year after Adam and that the end of the 6th Creative Day occurred within a year of Eve's creation. JW understand that the 1000-year rule is considered a sabbath in the Bible and thus the 7th day in a 7000-year long Creative Day. Per the current WTS timeline, 6000 years of man's existence would end in 1975, leaving the last 1000 years to begin the millennium.
However, the WTS uses a revised Persian timeline that dates the fall of Babylon in 539 BCE. which they use as a pivotal date. The true Biblical timeline though dates the 1st of Cyrus to 455 BCE, a fact that can be extracted from two astronomical texts, the VAT4956 and the Strm. Kambyses 400 (SK400). When 455 BCE is corrected to reflect the 1st of Cyrus, the Exodus falls in 1386 BCE rather than 1513 BCE, showing a 127-year error in the JW timeline. Thus 1975 is some 127 years too early at least. So 6000 years of man's existence just based on the corrected timeline would be 127 years later than 1975, and thus 2102 AD.
So 1975 didn't work based on the wrong chronology. There is still plenty of time for a 1000-year sabbath day before the 7th Creative Day ends.