Long Term Effect of Conti & Similar Cases?

by Chaserious 48 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Chaserious
    Chaserious

    I was commenting in another thread this morning and saw speculation that the Conti verdict will hasten the WTS' decline, beyond just the money they may have to pay in that case itself. I have seen this mentioned a number of times and it got me thinking and doing a bit of research. I think the speculation and hope is that it will give rise to similar lawsuits which will meet with similar success. However, I feel this may be overly optimistic, and wanted to see what you all think. My speculation is dealing with the US only.

    First of all, just for the sake of comparison, the total cost to the Catholic Church for sexual abuse cases has been about $2 Billion according to the NY Times. (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/r/roman_catholic_church_sex_abuse_cases/index.html). I think this is just referring to the United States. Another study claims it's about $3.2 Billion. http://www.bishop-accountability.org/settlements/#largest_settlements. Granted, whatever number is accurate, it could still increase. Lets say that the number eventually reaches $4B. Now, the WTS in the United States is a little under 2% of the size of the R.C.C. Statistically speaking, if the ratio of abuse and lawsuits is eqivalent, that would mean about $80 Million in settlements for the WTS. Even if they ended up paying 5% of what the Catholic Church has, which would mean it did proportionally worse, that would be $200M all told. Not cheap, but merely the cost of a couple of buildings from the Brooklyn portfolio. Or put another way, interest on one year's donations in a average year in the hedge fund game.

    Aside from statistics, why is there reason to think sexual abuse will not seriously injure the WTS in light of possibly paying $11M in the Conti case? Well, I don't see a host of additional victims waiting in the woodwork to come out if this verdict is upheld. People and lawyers alike have known for years that you can sue churches for sexual abuse, and I imagine that those inclined to do so have already filed their suits. Of course, there will be additional cases, even from years ago as victims first come to grips with their abuse and bring the molestation into the light of day. Also a victim leaving the WTS might prompt him to file suit, since of course one is not free to do so while in good standing in the congregation. However, I don't see all such plaintiffs meeting with similar success. First, the cases would probably have to involve abuse from 10-15+ years ago. Even if the WTS's policy is not morally improved, I think it's legally improved in order to shield the WTS from liability in more recent years, just as the Catholic Church has changed their procedures for legal reasons.

    Further, everything about the Conti case made her a perfect plaintiff. She is young, likeable and well-spoken. This is the kind of person juries like to give a lot of money to. She was abused by someone who had abused before, is an admitted abuser, and the elders knew about it. Every other case is not going to be so perfect. Some might be he said/she said cases where the abuser denies it and there is really no other evidence. Some might be cases where the elders didn't know anything until after the fact. Some might be cases where the elders didn't follow the WTS protocol, which would probably insulate the WTS from liability. And of course, some plaintiffs won't be as likeable as Candace. If you look at Catholic Church verdicts/settlements, the average per victim is in the hundreds of thousands, not millions. (http://www.bishop-accountability.org/settlements/#largest_settlements). We really have to admit that not all juries are going to be as favorable as the one in Oakland. Not to mention the fact that some juries might agree there is abuse, but not want to blame the national organization for a rank-and-file member's abuse. In every case, in order to recover from the WTS the plaintiff has to prove, not only that there was abuse, but that if not for the WTS' policy or specific action in that case, the abuse would not have happened to the victim. This is a problem that the Catholic plaintiffs don't have to deal with, since usually the molester is a paid employee of the Church, which makes it a lot easier to trace blame up the ladder. My bottom line is that I expect the total price tag of Conti and similar cases to be at worst, $80-200 Million. Money they'd rather keep their paws on, but relatively speaking, not a huge deal.

  • wha happened?
    wha happened?

    and unfortunately for the avg publisher. They still have the joy of another closet hidden child molester in the KH. But then again, even with the evidence presented in court, the avg publishers sees this all as part of the tribulation they are supposed to suffer.

  • jgnat
    jgnat

    Though I agree the impact will be proportionally smaller than the catholic church, I think the Conti case will prompt a pretty hefty class-action suit. The WTS has not prepared very well. IMO the Catholic church, though slow to respond, is finally doing the right things. Apologize. Make fundamental changes in the way that pedophiles are handled. Transparency in their dealings. The WTS has not done those three things, and is congenitally unsuited to do so.

    Here in Alberta, a single sympathetic litigant successfully sued the government for wrongful sterilization. Her successful suit led to a massive class-action where every person who was sterilized under this law was offered a settlement.

  • wha happened?
    wha happened?

    from your lips to God's ears jgnat

  • jgnat
    jgnat

    I suspect, wha happened, that the average parent, Witness or not, would not tolerate a pedophile in their midst as part of the burden they must bear. They may stoically tolerate conventions in extreme heat or cold, but damage to their children? I think not. Save the odd narcicisstic weirdo parent.

    Also consider the impact on attendance. The Catholic church has suffered a 30% drop in attendance since the scandals began to surface.

    What impact would a 30% drop in attendance/donations have on the WTS?

  • wha happened?
    wha happened?

    I still think there is enough mental control over the pubs that they allow a molester in thier midst. My Basis? The commnets from active dubs on the Conti case. They give it zero credibility. They just cannot accept that something may be wrong with their religion.

    Years back there was a huge party scene that was broken up, It involved about 20 congs and three circuits. I remember announcements almosts weekly. When the details started to filter out, most just could not accept that Jehovah would allow this in his congregation. Yes, people were df'd over it. No question, and yet they still couldn't accept it.

    Now try to convince a dub of this Conti debacle. They jsut don't buy it. It's satan, it's his political minions under his control. Try even showing them a WT that contrdicts itself. Nope not even their own literature is to be viewed.

    It's just sad.

  • jgnat
    jgnat

    I suspect that NIMBY is at work. People just can't believe that something that happened in California would have any impact where they live. In a congregation where a pedophile is publicly charged, I bet it would have an impact on attendance!

    Charilko, for instance, was seriously disillusioned by a scandal in her parish. It's permanently affected her church attendance.

  • Chaserious
    Chaserious

    jgnat - I think it's possible they might see some decreased attendance. But I think the average JW is going to dismiss it and say that there are always going to be a few bad JWs here and there, and this is just the attempt of some money-hungry lawyer who is trying to make the poor WTS pay for what some regular publisher did. The average JW doesn't know anything about what is lacking in their child abuse policies. This is where their lack of transparency actually benefits the WTS. Unlike Catholics, most JWs don't go to outside media sources to get news about the WTS, so they go blissfully forward thinking there is no problem.

    Also, you are right about no transparency and no apology, but unfortunately you can't be forced to pay money on that account. I think on the part of the Catholic Church they did those for PR reasons. WTS doesn't need to use PR since they give out PR to their own members internally and forbid reading of outside negative coverage about JWs. As far as changes, haven't they made some? I thought the smoking gun in the Conti case was the 1989 letter to elders about keeping abuse hush-hush, which has since been replaced/retracted?

    Edit: wha happened beat me to it about the typical JW response.

  • wha happened?
    wha happened?

    Really making news available to the media is what's best. A constant bombardment of these cases hitting the media can really impact them

  • jgnat
    jgnat

    Here's the replacement

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/scandals/227056/1/Watchtowers-April-9-BOE-Confidentiality-Letter-Child-Abuse-Did-Jane-Doe-lawsuit-play-a-major-part

    Not a word about prompt reporting of allegations to authorities. It is a lock-down letter. Elders are advised NOT to accept a search warrant or subpoena without talking to legal first.

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