The BEST way to "wake up" a JW

by Phizzy 46 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  jgnat

  I use Hassan's model, keeping the cultist calm while reinforcing and encouraging the natural person.

  http://freedomofmind.com/Contact/formFamily.php

  Really knowing the person, respecting their individuality and choices, is the key to helping them out. My husband is an emotional attender. None of my logic has had any impact on him at all. The elders, in their bumbling arrogance, have been my best allies. More than once they have brushed him off when he has asked for guidance (i.e. blood) and I have helpfully filled the gap. Hubby has also endured social snubs and rampant gossip, which has nearly pushed him out a couple times.
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  cobaltcupcake

  In the months prior to my exit I would rant to my husband about the pedophilia, the lack of love, the hypocrisy, and the doctrinal issues. He agreed with me on all of it but would tell me over and over, Jesus Christ is the head of the congregation. He'll take care of it. And he'd spend hours every night researching and writing letters to the GB about all of that stuff.

  He's still happily drinking the Kool-Aid.
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  Giordano

  The first DF I ever heard about was one of our congregations 'golden boys' a young man who was the Ministry School servant. He loved that role and loved to give talks and beamed when praise came his way. For some reason or other he was going to be removed from that position to make way for an ex Bethel brother. By the next week he was established in a small storefront church as one of their ministers. Ego crushed and regained at a different church?

  Getting 'bumped' from a position or disrepected can pull the blinders off faster then one can imagine. It can change everything.
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  James Brown

  I believe when the student is ready the teacher appears.

  I was born in. It was never my choice. I was lucky 1976 came around and they gave me a

  iron clad reason to leave fortified by 38 years.
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  Ding

  I think we need to do a lot of listening to what is bothering that JW rather than assuming that one generic approach will work.

  The JW must also come to see that a better life outside the organization is possible. As long as they buy into the idea that outside the borg is only evil, degradation, and destruction, they will say, "Where else can I go?" and stay even if they are miserable.
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  jgnat

  Good point, Ding. I've always made sure my JW and I have broad social connections.
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  SophieG

  I also agree with Ding. That’s a great idea!

  I know my friend who talked to me has always felt like she does not fit in, no matter how hard of a JW she tries to be. The JW Clique system is the worst. I think she has always looked at me (when I was in) as someone who never bought into the cliques and had a social circle outside of JW world. I try to encourage her to widen out…WAAAAAAAY OUT!
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  Pterist

  As shown by cult and brain washing specialists even the most dedicated and trained military personnel when subjected to brain washing techniques are rendered defenseless. The fact that we have a brain, five senses and are stimulated by our environment we are all vunerable to brain washing techniques.

  Removal from these types of confined and controlled environments are obviously an answer, however, physical interventions like used with the Moonies are not always practical. So we must never stop being an influence to counter with reason, emotional and spiritual help.

  Analyzing why that person became a JW maybe a key to start with. I became a JW because as a member of the RCC, I was fascinated by the end of the world, it was the only thing I read about in the family bible in my teens. Later in life, A work mate brought up the subject and hence bingo, he had a bible study to record on his report card. It was only much later (before the internet lol) that I had access to a lot more information about end time eschatologies, and that NONE of them was a requirement for the GIFT of a changed life in Christ. However as said previously by others each person had a reason for interest, use that reason and build on it. We don't have to throw the baby out with the bath water.

  Shalom
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  Lied2NoMore

  I recently told my mother who has had mental issues all her life but they have escalated since my dad died last year she would get some relief if she wasn't subjected to WT mind control because they definately do use it.

  After some debate and her actually asking, "why would jehovah want to use mind control on us?" I asked her point blank, "when you got to meeting, who is doing the teaching, men or jehovah?"

  She said "jehovah"

  Then I said, "if doctrines or teachings have changed, didn't jehovah know he was teaching false doctrines?"

  I told her how insulting it must be to attribute falsehoods to almighty god.

  It got her to think, but then she said "ok' I don't want to continue with this conversation"

  I said, "I told you at the start of our conversation that you would use the "thought stopping" technique, and you just did."

  at least i made her think but she will never give it up
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  Emery

  Im glad we are back to this topic :)

  Yes I believe there are many other reasons obviously for JWs to wake up, but the most common reason I feel is the emotional aspect.

  Ding pointed out something that has helped me lead family out, "listening".

  If you happen to be an active witness or fader, look for those in the congregation who are depressed or visibly unhappy. They need to vent and when you get them talking you will see how easy it is to counter that emotional tie with unconditional love.