As a JW, how did you feel about shunning?

by jwfacts 51 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • EmptyInside
    EmptyInside

    I had got into a little trouble talking to disfellowshipped friends. I then followed the rules,although,I didn't agree with it.

    Now,that I'm fading I talk to my disfellowshipped friends again every so often. I just find it unfair that something foolish they may have done as a young person,has to be carried out for decades. It effects their relationship with their siblings and parents. One Witness mother never sees her grandchildren because her daughter was disfellowshipped at 20.

    They call it a loving arragement,but I don't see how it is loving towards anyone. I feel guilty when I think of all the times I played into it,and followed their rules.

  • mamochan13
    mamochan13

    I believed in the policy - used the "you joined a private club and you knew what would happen if you didn't abide by the rules" reasoning. However, I also believed that when df'd ones came to the meeting, it was a sign of repentance and a good thing. So I would always smile and acknowledge them. If it was a friend or someone I knew, I would actually greet them or offer a hug or a word of encouragement.

    Of course, after I was df'd my perspective changed. One meeting a couple of months into it they announced that a young girl, about 17, had been df'd. I saw her mother's face and the profound sadness, and it made me cry thinking of the pain that family was going through. The asshole elders actually used that against me, telling me that I was sympathizing with the df'd person so I was not truly repentant.

  • Rattigan350
    Rattigan350

    So many of the current Witnesses I wouldn't want to talk to anyway so it wouldn't make a difference.

    Shunning family is a good thing - so many of my inlaws are DFd that I don't worry about hearing from them.

  • mercedes_29
    mercedes_29

    I felt bad for kids who got baptized at 9,10,11 before they knew any better and then their hormones kicked in then did something to get DF'd. They were cut off from everyone important in their lives because they got baptized. Another case that bothered me was that of a lonely, divorced woman who was taking care of her elderly ailing father and her daughter just moved out and married. She started drinking heavily and was DF'd for drunkenness. I thought it was awful since she had no one else and her life was falling apart - what motivation did she have to stop drinking at that point? Never liked the policy but I didn't openly go against it since I didn't want to get hauled in the back room.

  • jwfacts
    jwfacts

    fresh prince of ohio - Both came out of the closet as young adults. So the guy that got dunked at age 12: SHUNNED FOR LIFE BY EVERYBODY HE EVER KNEW. The other guy - unimpeded contact with his family.

    That type of situation really struck me as to how unreasonable the religion was. My cousin was never baptised and had total freedom to come and go as she pleased, despite living a very worldly life. Yet others in the congregation we being shunned by parents that were living far less worldly lives.

    mamochan13 - I saw her mother's face and the profound sadness, and it made me cry thinking of the pain that family was going through. The asshole elders actually used that against me, telling me that I was sympathizing with the df'd person so I was not truly repentant.

    That is disgusting, there are so many heartless elders.

  • rubadubdub
    rubadubdub

    Warning-- Lurker Alert! I just feel like I have to weigh in on this topic. I was an all-in JW for 42 years, and walked away after the last day of my District Convention in July of 2011.

    I experienced a lot of cognitive dissonance over shunning. One of my son's pioneer room mates stole $500 from my son and never made restitution. A few years later as a MS and son of an elder from "The Family" in the congregation, this MS was DF'd for embezzling money from his JW Elder employer. This "brother" called me before the annoucement to let me know that he was going to visit some relatives out of state and that there would be an announcement on the following Thursday, but I shouldn't worry, because he would be back. This "brother" did his time so to speak, sitting in the back at every meeting for a year. I really think he was playing the game. He is and was a highly intelligent, yet arrogant young man. I shunned him, because that is what he expected. He was re-instated and moved to another state. Personally, I feel that for the amount of money he embezzled, he should have been prosecuted, received a felony conviction and served time in jail. I think he got off easy, and don't believe he learned any lesson. If he had gone to jail, he would have been shunned, by default, if you will.

    Further, I feel very strongly that pedophiles should be reported to the authorities, treated as the criminals they are and locked up for life. Shunning as a punishment is disproportionate to the crime. No need to state the obvious that protecting pediphiles is also criminal and immoral.

    Where the cognitive dissonance came in was that my daughter DA'd herself "by her actions" when she went away to college. I was not required to shun her and was told that, should she choose to "return to Jehovah", she would have to deal with her actions at that time. My son, on the other hand was DF'd, because he acted out very badly when his JW wife left him for an ex-"worldly boyfriend" and had a child with this man while still married to my son. I would not shun him. I made it very clear to him which of his actions I disaproved of as his mother, even calling the police when I knew he was driving drunk. He was out of his mind and tried to commit suicide at age 22. He needed serious help, love and guidence; but I was supposed to shun him for the very same "sins" my daughter was committing? That didn't make any sense to me.

    In May of 2011, I was sitting at a Service Meeting where they were pounding the message that we need to preach more, because "so many lives were at stake and the end is so near."(I was there for the pre-1975 buildup.) Somehow in my brain, at that moment, that translated into-- "Your Kids Are Going To Die!" I thought, "If one more person tells me my kids are going to die. . ."

    I went to the DC in observer mode (only because I had promised my son's then ex-MIL a ride) and truly woke up to the fact that I was in a cult. The year before, my response to the "Over-lapping Generation" doctrine was, "That is Crap!" In 2011, I laughed when they taught the "New Light" that the toes of the image in Daniel's Dream meant NOTHING! Funny as it seems now, I did serve the substitute C.O. lunch as promised in August, but I was still not going to meetings. After that lunch I typed "ex-JWs" into Google and found JWFacts, read Crisis of Conscience, The God Delusion and the Shepherd the Flock of God book all in about two weeks time. The rest is history.

    To sum it up, I don't think shunning is enough for criminals on one hand; and on the other, I know it destroys families and individual's lives and is cruel and unusual punishment.

  • nugget
    nugget

    Shunning is a tough one siince my exposure to DF'd people was limited. I remember saying hello to someone who was DF'd when I saw them in the street and then felt guilty for years afterwards.

    I also remember sitting next to df'd people at the hall and trying to be friendly and sharing books with them since they were making an effort and it seemed churlish to be mean to them when they were trying so hard. We once saw a df'd person who had run out of petrol and took him to the petrol station and back so he could fill up his car. It never occurred to us to leave him stranded.

    I also know that if any member of my family had been df'd I would never have rejected them. In my mind df'ing was a loving discipline to bring someone to their senses not an act of rejection and I therefore lacked the essential coldness that is required to treat someone who is alive as if they are dead. However I was in a cult who knows how the constant drip feeding of poison would have affected me in the long term.

  • JustHuman14
    JustHuman14

    I never liked it....in fact I was caught talking to one of disfellowshiped JW, (I was MS) and I was in trouble!!! Now being disfellowshiped my self I HATE IT even more....

    I can say it really hurts..I was with my mam along with my children and a "friend"said hi to my mam, my small kids, and pretend that I wasn't there, dispite the fact that I said to him hallo you are you!!! In some other cases there are some JW's who don't care, and they speak to me and I recall recently one he invited me for a drink, since he hasn't any news from me!!!

    For sure, no matter what still is something that hurts, despite the fact that I was kicked out 8 years ago...

  • gone for good
    gone for good

    Rubadubdub -

    Welcome to the big roudy family! Lots of us new ones here, enjoying how to live and learn.

    Looking forward to your posts - GfG

  • jwfacts
    jwfacts

    Welcome rubadubdub and thank you for your experience. I agree that there are cases when shunning is too extreme, and other times when it is not punishment enough. That is why this one size fits all approach does not work. Followers should be treated as adults and allowed to determine what is the right action for each situation.

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