Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 01-27-2013 (FORGIVE ANOTHER)

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    Comments You Will Not Hear at the 01-27-2013 WT Study (NOVEMBER 15, 2012, pages 26-30)(FORGIVE ANOTHER)

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    FORGIVE ONE ANOTHER FREELY

    “Continue putting up

    with one another and

    forgiving one another

    freely.”—COL. 3:13.

    HOW WOULD YOU RESPOND?

    Why must we be willing to forgive?

    How did Jesus illustrate the need to be forgiving?

    What blessings do we receive because of freely forgiving one another?

    OPENING COMMENTS

    Four scriptures that must be read at the meeting but how many scriptures: snippets, citations, quotations?

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    Paragraphs 3-4 = 1 partial, verses 33 and 34, quote with a bracketed phrase [the unforgiving slave]; is it in the NWT? No, how many jws would notice that?

    (Matthew 18:21-34) 33 Ought you not, in turn, to have had mercy on your fellow slave, as I also had mercy on you?’34 With that his master, provoked to wrath, delivered him to the jailers, until he should pay back all that was owing.

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    Note that the article has no contemporary pictures of men having problems forgiving, hmm.

    START OF ARTICLE

    1, 2. Why is it appropriate to consider your willingness to

    forgive?

    JEHOVAH’S written Word enables us to learn

    how he views sin and how he reacts when we

    commit sins. His Word also reveals much about

    forgiveness. In the preceding article, we focused

    on how the attitudes of David and Manasseh elicited

    Jehovah’s forgiveness. Their contrite, heartfelt

    sorrow over what they had done led them to confession,

    rejection of their wicked acts, and genuine

    repentance. In turn, Jehovah restored them to his favor.

    COMMENTS

    But can jws learn from the bible alone or:

    *** w94 10/1 p. 8 The Bible—A Book Meant to Be Understood ***

    Even as Bible prophecy pointed forward to the Messiah, it also directs us to the close-knit body of anointed Christian Witnesses that now serve as the faithful and discreet slave. It helps us to understand the Word of God. All who want to understand the Bible should appreciate that the “greatly diversified wisdom of God” can become known only through Jehovah’s channel of communication, the faithful and discreet slave.—

    But did God forgive any contemporaries of David or Manasseh for adultery and/or murder? No because the Law gave no out for them.

    2 Let us examine forgiveness from a different perspective.

    How do you think you would have felt toward

    Manasseh if his innocent victims had included

    one of your relatives? Would you have been able

    to forgive Manasseh? That is a pertinent question today

    because we live in a lawless, violent, and selfish

    world. So why should a Christian want to cultivate a

    forgiving attitude? And if you suffer an affront or an

    injustice, what can help you to keep your emotions

    under control, react as Jehovah would want you to,

    and be willing to forgive?

    COMMENTS

    How could Manasseh prove that God had forgiven him; how could or did any prove? Did Manasseh seek out a way to ask for forgiveness from the families of his victims; did he make amends to them, perhaps for any financial troubles they had as a result?

    Adultery, deliberate murder, and child sacrifice are not AFFRONTS.

    Why not advice to the unjust one to ask forgiveness and make concrete amends?

    Making amends is more than an apology.

    http://www.umass.edu/fambiz/articles/resolving_conflict/meaningful_apology.html

    A meaningful apology is one that communicates what I call the three R's--regret, responsibility, and remedy.

    1. A statement of regret for having caused the inconvenience, hurt or damage. This includes an expression of empathy toward the other person, including an acknowledgement of the inconvenience, hurt, or damage that you caused the other person. Having empathy for the person you hurt or angered is the most important part of your apology. When you truly have empathy the other person will feel it. Your apology will wash over him or her like a healing balm. On the other hand, if you don't have empathy your apology will sound and feel empty.
    2. An acceptance of responsibility for your actions. This means not blaming anyone else for what you did and not making excuses for your actions but instead accepting full responsibility for what you did and for the consequences of your actions.
    3. A statement of your willingness to take some action to remedy the situation--either by promising to not repeat your action, a promise to work toward not making the same mistake again, a statement as to how you are going to remedy the situation…or by making restitution for the damages you caused.

    WHY WE NEED TO BE FORGIVING

    3-5. (a) What illustration did Jesus use to help his listeners

    think about the need to be forgiving? (b)What is the point of

    Jesus’ illustration recorded at Matthew 18:21-35?

    3 A willingness to forgive those who offend us

    —whether they are members of the Christian congregation

    or not—is essential if we are to maintain

    peaceful relations with family members, friends, fellow

    humans, and Jehovah. The Scriptures indicate

    that a willingness to forgive others regardless of how

    often they offend us is a Christian requirement. In

    order to illustrate the reasonableness of

    this requirement, Jesus used an illustration

    about a slave who was a debtor.

    COMMENTS

    “regardless of how often they offend us” Does child abuse just offend the victim? Does it matter if it is once or several times?

    Were David and Manasseh guilty of OFFENDING people or murder?

    4 The slave owed his master the equivalent

    of a laborer’s wages for 60,000,000 days;

    yet, his master canceled the

    debt. Thereafter, the slave went out and

    found a fellow slave who owed him a

    sum that amounted to only 100 days’

    wages. The debtor pleaded for patience,

    but the slave who had been forgiven a

    huge debt had his fellow slave thrown

    into prison. That attitude angered their

    master. “Ought you not . . . to have had

    mercy on your fellow slave, as I also had

    mercy on you?” the master asked. “With

    that his master, provoked to wrath, delivered

    [the unforgiving slave] to the jailers,

    until he should pay back all that was

    owing.”—Matt. 18:21-34.

    COMMENTS

    Does Matthew 18 apply to situations of murder, adultery, fornication, etc., things jws can be df’d for by the elders?

    *** w94 7/15 p. 23 How Do You Settle Differences? ***

    The possibility of an unrepentant wrongdoer being disfellowshipped shows that Matthew 18:15-17 does not pertain to minor differences . Jesus was referring to serious offenses, yet of the type that might be settled between just the two individuals concerned. For example, the offense might be slander, seriously affecting the victim’s reputation. Or it might pertain to financial matters, for succeeding verses contain Jesus’ illustration of the merciless slave who had been forgiven a great debt. (Matthew 18:23-35) A loan not repaid in the allotted time might be just a passing difficulty that could easily be resolved between the two individuals. But it could become a serious sin, namely, theft, if the borrower obstinately refused to repay what was owed.

    5 What point did Jesus make with this

    illustration? His conclusion was: “In like

    manner my heavenly Father will also

    deal with you if you do not forgive each

    one his brother from your hearts.” (Matt.

    18:35) Jesus’ point is clear. The sins we

    have committed during a lifetime of imperfection

    give evidence that we are hopelessly unable

    to meet Jehovah’s standards. Yet, he is willing to forgive

    us and to wipe the slate clean, as

    it were. Hence, anyone who desires Jehovah’s

    friendship is obliged to forgive

    the shortcomings of his fellow human.

    Or as Jesus said in the Sermon on the

    Mount: “If you forgive men their trespasses,

    your heavenly Father will also

    forgive you; whereas if you do not forgive

    men their trespasses, neither will

    your Father forgive your trespasses.”

    —Matt. 6:14, 15.

    COMMENTS

    Did they forgive Judas; did they forgive Peter; why not, both betrayed Jesus?

    But do jws forgive..why are reinstated jws put on “restrictions”? Years ago they were put on “probation” making reinstatement conditional, being df’d if violated without another judicial committee?

    *** w66 9/1 p. 542 A Provision for Spiritual Help in Times of Need ***

    If the wrong committed was not a public scandal, but serious enough to require discipline, then the erring one can be placed on a probation that is not announced to the congregation. During this time, usually one year, he should be given regular spiritual assistance to overcome his difficulty. Then the probation is lifted, again without announcement to the congregation. What a loving provision of God for truly repentant ones who fall into serious wrongdoing!

    If the sin was grievous and a public scandal, then where mercy is shown, a probation period is again imposed, but this time it is announced to the congregation. Yet in this case, as in an unannounced probation, there is a loving effort to help the erring one.

    *** w56 10/1 p. 595 par. 32 Marriage Obligations and Divorce ***

    If after disfellowshipment that one shows the fruitage of repentance and seeks to get back into the congregation, that one may be reinstated and put on a long probation, for at least a year, and then, being found on good behavior, he may be formally relieved of the restrictions imposed upon him and be fully received back.

    Or what about the sensational grudges in congregations where sisters would not be householder for another, would not go to the same book study, sat on the opposite side of the KH, would not go in the same car group let alone go together door to door (brothers too). The ones that would tell jws new to the congregation all the foundations of these grudges.

    6. Why is it not always easy to forgive?

    What was the point of this

    illustration used by Jesus?

    6 ‘That all sounds fine in theory,’ you

    might say, ‘but it is easier said than

    done.’ That is because reactions to personal

    offenses are often emotional. A

    person may feel anger, a sense of betrayal,

    the desire for justice or even revenge.

    In fact, some feel that they will never

    be able to forgive the offender. If you feel

    similarly, how can you cultivate the forgiving

    attitude that Jehovah requires?

    COMMENTS

    The biggest offenders are the elders and their families because they have the perceived authority. What about intentional sins?

    *** w67 9/1 pp. 536-537 par. 11 The Tongue—A Power for Good or for Bad ***

    But when one unintentionally, through thoughtless speech, wounds another, he ought to be humble enough to swallow his pride and apologize, ask for forgiveness. He should not allow the breach to widen. He ought to heal it at the first opportunity. He should not let the sun set upon him in a provoked state. Making amends for indiscretions in speech is commendable. Not only will one be healing what might become a deep wound, but his own conscience will be clear before God and the one offended.

    ANALYZE YOUR EMOTIONS

    7, 8. What can help you to respond in a forgiving

    way if you have been upset by the unkind

    conduct of others?

    7 Emotional responses to real or supposed

    offenses can be very strong. Consider

    the following reaction of one

    young man, as described in a study on

    anger: “Once . . . in an angry fit, I walked

    out of the house vowing I would never

    return. It was a beautiful summer day,

    and I walked far along lovely lanes, till

    gradually the stillness and beauty

    calmed and soothed me, and after some

    hours I returned repentant and almost

    melted.” As this experience illustrates,

    giving yourself time to calm down and

    view the situation more dispassionately

    may help you to avoid responding in an

    unforgiving way that you may later regret.—

    Ps. 4:4; Prov. 14:29; Jas. 1:19, 20.

    COMMENTS

    The WTS likes to suggest that most offenses are “supposed” not “real” undermining your ability to judge the difference. Of course jws are never liars, adulterers, thieves, wife and/or child abusers, slanderers…just because they have the label?

    I can remember the elders meetings my uncles, brother, cousins, went to where a whole lot of screaming went on (7 congregations). Or the elders on judicial committees that screamed and verbally abused the “sheep” they said they were trying to help.

    Anger is expressed like that more often by a person who perceives they have power and authority to do so.

    8 What, though, if a negative emotion

    persists? Try to determine why you are

    upset. Is it because you have been treated

    unfairly, perhaps discourteously? Or

    is it because you feel that the other person

    deliberately attempted to hurt you?

    Was his or her action really so bad? Analyzing

    and understanding the reason

    for your reaction will allow you to consider

    what would be the best and Scripturally

    proper response. (Read Proverbs

    15:28; 17:27.) Such reasoning may help

    you to be more objective and willing to

    forgive. By adopting such an approach,

    difficult though it may be, you permit

    God’s word to examine the “thoughts

    and intentions of [your] heart” and

    guide you in imitating Jehovah’s forgiving

    attitude.—Heb. 4:12.

    COMMENTS

    Deliberately attempted to hurt you….really so bad? What!?

    What is objective in WT parlance?

    [your] why brackets?

    SHOULD YOU TAKE IT PERSONALLY?

    9, 10. (a) How might you react to a perceived

    offense? (b) How can adopting a positive, forgiving

    spirit change your outlook on life?

    9 Many situations in life provoke negative

    reactions. While you are driving

    your automobile, for instance, suppose

    another car nearly collides with your vehicle.

    How will you react? You have read

    about episodes of road rage in which an

    individual became so angry that he attacked

    the other driver. As a Christian,

    however, you certainly would not want

    to do such a thing.

    COMMENTS

    Road rage – so is this a common jw problem or the worst problem in a congregation? What about the alcoholic jws that get no help especially elders. I had a congregation overseer that popped up in the DUI newspapers lists for years but was not removed until after 40 years and a serious accident that killed a non-jw.

    Or the 3 elders that maxed out their points and lost their licenses but continued to drive.

    10 How much better it would be to

    take a moment to analyze matters. Perhaps

    you were partly to blame for what

    took place because you were distracted

    in some way. Or the other driver may

    have had a mechanical problem with his

    car. The point of this scenario is that we

    can lessen anger, disappointment, and

    other negative emotions with understanding,

    open-mindedness, and a willingness

    to forgive. “Do not hurry yourself

    in your spirit to become offended,”

    says Ecclesiastes 7:9, “for the taking of

    offense is what rests in the bosom of

    the stupid ones.” Do not take things

    so personally. On many occasions, what

    may be thought of as a deliberate personal

    offense is nothing of the sort; it is

    just a result of imperfection or a misunderstanding.

    Try to be open-minded regarding

    what seem to be unkind acts or

    words, and be willing to forgive out of

    love. You will be happier if you succeed.

    Read 1 Peter 4:8.

    COMMENTS

    Partly to blame (5%, 10%, 15%, 40%?) Or perhaps you clearly say them texting..but road rage would not help; take their license, car description, driver description, if your passengers saw something, and turn it over to the police right away.

    And when the person made it clear that it was personal….a jw reasoned with me if a person punched you in the face every time you saw them, would you take it personally, see it as deliberate, not a result of imperfection or a misunderstanding? You would learn to stay out of punching range.

    ‘MAY YOUR PEACE RETURN TO YOU’

    11. The reactions of people to the good news

    should elicit what response in us as Kingdom

    proclaimers?

    11 How can you maintain self-control

    if someone is rude to you while you are

    engaging in field service? When Jesus

    sent out 70 preachers, he told them to

    wish peace upon every house they visited.

    “If a friend of peace is there, your

    peace will rest upon him,” Jesus said.

    “But if there is not, it will turn back

    to you.” (Luke 10:1, 5, 6) We are happy

    when people respond favorably to our

    ministry, for then they may benefit from

    the message we bear. Sometimes, however,

    the response is anything but

    peaceable. What then? Jesus said that

    the peace we wished on the household

    should remain with us. In any case, we

    should be able to leave each door with

    peace in our hearts, regardless of how

    people treat us. If we were to respond to

    a provocation by getting upset, we could

    not maintain our peace.

    COMMENTS

    Notice that Jesus sent out the 12 male apostles, then 70 male preachers…no women.

    Do jws wish peace or do they say “there’s a goat” or judge them as dying when Armageddon comes?

    How peaceable are jws when non-jws drop by their doors unannounced? Poll takers, people seeking new customers, etc. Is it a chance to witness or do they send them on their way?

    I have been with jws at the door that got into an argument about saluting the flag, saying the person’s religion is false, telling them that non-jws will soon die (Bill Cosby’s tactic re Noah)? I refused to go door to door with them after the 2 nd time.

    I just wondering,

    What would be the effect of an Ark on the average neighbor?

    Now, here's a guy going to work, 7 o'clock in the morning

    Noah’s next door neighbor and he sees the Ark.

    Hey!

    You up there!

    What you want?

    What is this?

    It's an Ark

    Aha

    You wanna get it outta my driveway?

    I gotta get to work

    Listen, what this thing for anyway?

    I can't tell you

    Hahahahaha!

    Well, I mean can't you give me a little hint?

    You wanna a hint?

    Yes, please

    How long can you tread water?

    Hahahah!

    Judged goats pre-Armageddon

    *** w58 12/1 p. 717 Pursuing My Purpose in Life *** What made work harder at times (aside from some goatish people and the ones not interested)

    *** w51 1/1 p. 29 Sharing in the Final Witness ***

    Scoffers, critics and indifferent ones are classed with those who violently persecute God’s witnesses. They are goatish and their end will be everlasting cutting off in second death.

    *** w51 3/1 p. 155 par. 23 No Relief for the Rich, but Comfort for the Poor ***

    Recognizing God’s favor upon us, we no longer look to the goatish religious leaders and go to them as beggars for spiritual favors.

    *** w50 6/1 p. 176 Field Experience ***

    While group witnessing in Pasadena, California, finding very little interest, I came to a house on the corner. A goatish woman at the door cared more for her religious fodder than for the bread of life, so I went to a small house in the rear,

    12. According to Paul’s words at Ephesians 4:

    31, 32, how should we act?

    12 Strive to maintain your peace in all

    situations, not just in the Christian ministry.

    Naturally, willingness to forgive

    others does not mean that you have to

    approve of their wrong behavior or minimize

    the damage it does. Forgiving,

    though, does mean letting go of any resentment

    for such wrongs and maintaining

    your own peace. By dwelling on

    negative thoughts and mulling over how

    badly they have been treated, some people

    let the behavior of others rob them

    of happiness. Do not let such thoughts

    control you. Remember that you cannot

    be happy when you harbor resentment.

    Therefore, be forgiving!—Read Ephesians

    4:31, 32.

    COMMENTS

    Forgive…does not mean have to approve..but if you say nothing that it is harmful what chance it will stop…let go of resentment…….until it happens again and again and again………but I can see distancing yourself, let go though, what that person says does not matter if you believe God is doing the judging.

    REACT IN A WAY THAT PLEASES JEHOVAH

    13. (a) How does a Christian “heap fiery coals”

    on his enemy’s head? (b) What may result from

    a mild response to provocation?

    13 There may be times when you feel

    that you can help someone who has

    wronged you to appreciate Christian

    standards. The apostle Paul wrote: “ ‘If

    your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is

    thirsty, give him something to drink; for

    by doing this you will heap fiery coals

    upon his head.’ Do not let yourself be

    conquered by the evil, but keep conquering

    the evil with the good.” (Rom. 12:

    20, 21) By your graciousness in the face

    of provocation, you may soften even the

    hardest of attitudes and bring out the

    good in people. By showing understanding,

    empathy—even compassion—for the

    offender, you might be able to help him

    learn Biblical truths. Whatever the case,

    a mild response gives the individual an

    opportunity to reflect on your fine conduct.—

    1 Pet. 2:12; 3:16.

    COMMENTS

    Feel……..wronged (WTS explains away everything)

    So how can a sister “help someone to appreciate Christians standards” or “help him learn Biblical truths” since women cannot “counsel” a sister and definitely not a brother…so how does this work then?

    14. Regardless of how badly a person has treated

    you, why should you refrain from harboring

    resentment?

    14 Under some circumstances, it

    would be inappropriate to have fellowship

    with certain people. This would include

    those who were once part of the

    congregation but who sinned, were unrepentant,

    and were disfellowshipped. If

    such an individual has hurt you, it might

    be extremely difficult to forgive him even

    if he repents, since emotional wounds

    take time to heal. Under such circumstances,

    you might keep on asking Jehovah

    to help you cultivate a forgiving spirit

    toward the repentant wrongdoer. After

    all, how can you know what is in the

    other person’s heart? Jehovah knows . He

    examines a person’s innermost inclinations

    and is patient with wrongdoers.

    (Ps. 7:9; Prov. 17:3) That is why the Scriptures

    state: “Return evil for evil to no

    one. Provide fine things in the sight of

    all men. If possible, as far as it depends

    upon you, be peaceable with all men.

    Do not avenge yourselves, beloved, but

    yield place to the wrath; for it is written:

    ‘Vengeance is mine; I will repay,

    says Jehovah.’ ” (Rom. 12:17-19) Can you

    rightly condemn another person? No.

    (Matt. 7:1, 2) But you can be confident

    that justice lies in God’s hands.

    COMMENTS

    So in the jw congregation who decides if someone is repentant, IMPERFECT elders who cannot read hearts or minds by their own admission. How does God direct these IMPERFECT elders know that the person has repented?

    *** w10 6/15 pp. 13-14 par. 15 Keep Building Up the Congregation ***

    They may even have sinned against us personally. Yet, when the elders appointed to examine the case determine, in line with Jehovah’s direction, that a repentant sinner ought to be readmitted to the congregation, it indicates that he has been forgiven by Jehovah. (Matt. 18:17-20)

    So can the elders tell when someone is lying? Without being able to read hearts and minds?

    *** w05 11/15 pp. 23-24 par. 9 Walk With God, and Reap What Is Good ***

    How is such repentance manifested? Jehovah is not deceived by tears or mere words. Genuine repentance is made apparent by actions. In order to receive mercy, a wrongdoer must completely abandon his sinful course and bring his life into harmony with the high standards of Jehovah’s elevated worship.

    -------I remember jws that were reinstated and told their victims that they had lied to the elders . and done nothing, did not have to apologize, and continued on with their hurtful behavior confident that the elders were ignorant.

    *** w06 9/15 p. 30 Questions From Readers ***

    The decision of the elders investigating the case should be based on the Scriptures and the clearly established facts—an admission by the driver and/or the testimony of two or three reliable eyewitnesses. (Deuteronomy 17:6; Matthew 18:15, 16) If bloodguilt is established, a judicial committee should be formed. If the committee determines that the bloodguilty person is repentant, he will receive appropriate reproof from the Scriptures and will be restricted as regards privileges in the congregation

    *** w91 4/15 p. 21 par. 6 Imitate God’s Mercy Today ** *

    In time he may seek reinstatement in the clean congregation. When elders then meet with him, they will try to determine whether he has repented and left his sinful course

    Do elders take confessions?

    *** w08 4/15 pp. 10-11 par. 15 Seek God’s Guidance in All Things ***

    He needs to humble himself and confess the sin to the elders.

    15. What realization regarding offenders

    should affect our attitude toward them?

    15 If you feel that you have been the

    victim of an injustice and find it difficult

    to forgive a wrongdoer who has repented,

    it would be good to realize that the

    offender too is a victim. He or she also

    suffers the effects of inherited imperfection.

    (Rom. 3:23) Jehovah feels compassion

    toward all imperfect mankind.

    Therefore, it is appropriate to pray for

    the offender. It is unlikely that we would

    continue being angry with someone

    for whom we are praying. And that we

    should avoid harboring resentment toward

    even those who mistreat us is clear

    from Jesus’ words: “Continue to love

    your enemies and to pray for those persecuting

    you.”—Matt. 5:44.

    COMMENTS

    FEEL that you have been the victim = so do you need 2 eyewitnesses?

    Have they asked your forgiveness and been specific about what they did and they plan on not doing it again and make amends, perhaps even doing in front of others they lied to about the situation?

    Is the WTS forgetting it is more important that the unjust person be praying to God?

    *** w10 6/15 p. 29 Coping With a Spouse’s Betrayal ***

    Soon after Jane got married, her husband betrayed her trust and affection in a different manner. He began to abuse her physically. “The first time he punched me,” says Jane, “I was stunned, embarrassed, and humiliated. In what became a pattern, he begged me to forgive him. I thought it was my Christian obligation always to forgive and forget. I also thought it would be disloyal to mention our problem to anyone—even to the elders in our congregation. This pattern of abuse and forgiveness went on for years. All the while, I thought that there had to be something I could do to make my husband love me. When he finally left me and our daughter, I felt that I had failed, that I should have done or said more to hold the marriage together.”

    *** w81 7/1 p. 22 par. 20 The God of Love Hates a Divorcing ***

    However, it does appear that at times a divorce on the ground of adultery could have been avoided had the “innocent” mate shown more empathy, wisdom, affection, understanding. A wife may gradually give less and less thought to pleasing her husband physically, mentally, emotionally, aesthetically and spiritually, thus causing him to look elsewhere for satisfaction in one or more of these areas. Thus reluctance on the part of his wife to give him the marital due caused one full-time minister to turn to her sister for gratification. Of course, regardless of how a wife may have failed in this respect, there is absolutely no justification for adultery on the part of the husband.

    16, 17. How should you respond when Christian

    elders judge a sinner as repentant, and

    why?

    16 In accord with Jehovah’s will, Christian

    elders have been entrusted with

    the responsibility of handling cases of

    wrongdoing in the congregation. These

    brothers do not have the full insight that

    God does, but they aim to make their decision

    harmonize with the direction given

    in God’s Word under the guidance

    of holy spirit. Hence, what they decide

    in such matters after seeking Jehovah’s

    help in prayer will reflect his point of

    view.—Matt. 18:18.

    COMMENTS

    These brothers do not have the full insight that God does = yet they say that they could have pronounced a death sentence on adulterers

    So how does the holy spirit convey God’s knowledge of that individual’s mind and heart, are they inspired like the prophets of old like Nathan and Jeremiah?

    17 Here is where loyalty matters. Will

    you forgive and confirm your love for

    those judged to be repentant? (2 Cor. 2:

    5-8) This may not be easy, especially if

    you are a victim of the wrongdoing or are

    related to a victim. However, by placing

    your trust in Jehovah and his way of dealing

    with matters through the congregation,

    you will act wisely. You will demonstrate

    that you really do forgive freely.

    —Prov. 3:5, 6.

    COMMENTS

    So jws are supposed to love and forgive based on the elders opinion, imperfect opinion. Does that include pedophiles? God and forgive them but that does mean I have to go to the same congregation or expose my children to their form of “love.” The elders know who the pedos are in their congregation and can protect their children, the rest are kept ignorant unless the gossip mill is active and concealed.

    18. What benefits can you experience because

    of forgiving freely?

    18 Mental-health experts recognize

    the benefits of being willing to forgive.

    It releases pent-up and even debilitating

    emotions that cause ill health, and it fosters

    healthier and happier relationships. Contrast

    that with the costs of an unwillingness

    to forgive—poor health, broken

    relationships, stress, and difficult communication.

    By far the most important blessing of being willing to forgive is a

    good relationship with our heavenly Father,

    Jehovah.—Read Colossians 3:12-14.

    COMMENTS

    Must jws forgive everything or everyone?

    Which mental health experts? Does the WTS feel that jws should go to the imperfect elders with no mental health training or mental health experts?

    I say you can move on but you do not need to forgive murderers, adulterers, abusers, pedophiles, intentional liars, and since you are the victim you know more than any elder about that person’s character.

    CONCLUDING COMMENTS

    Next week, FIND REAL SUCCESS IN LIFE.

    WHAT does it mean to be successful in

    life? Ask people that question, and you

    will find that their answers vary greatly.

    Many, for example, define success in terms of

    outstanding achievement in financial, professional,

    or academic pursuits. Others factor in relationships

    —how well they relate to family, friends, or workmates.

    One who serves God might even link success

    to a position of responsibility in the congregation or

    to achievements in the ministry.

    Love, Blondie

  • DATA-DOG
    DATA-DOG

    Thanks Blondie. I love the Rutherford-style arbitrary time frames! " Furthermore, the lord said " Let the probation period be no less than 1 year!"

    What a bunch of crap.. The humility needed to even go back to the KH would be incredible. Then you are reminded of your wrongdoing for another year, just to make sure that you and everyone else knows what a sinner you are..

  • garyneal
    garyneal

    Certainly thought about this at my wife's study today.

  • label licker
    label licker

    BRAVO BRAVO Blondie Every stinkin comment you made happened to us in the 8-9 years we were in this religion. The kicker> we were only in two halls. We saw every rule broke in the book except murder and always from the ones taking the lead or their kids. I guess that's why when Jesus comes back the judgeing will start with the ones taking the lead first. So glad I'm a lost sheep:)

  • AuntConnie
    AuntConnie

    What a bunch of bullshit this magazine was, who really forgives anyone in the Kingdom Hall? We have decades old hatreds not even the Governing Body could undo with all their combined wisdom. I am proud to say, I hate my parents, my sister and her husband, I hate my drunk brother and I hate my husband's Uncle who gave us our first real job.

    Forgiveness is something you earn or deserve, not freely applying to anyone ready to screw you over or steal from you. In our Conga, most of the publishers have disowned their family to "Focus On The Theocratic Family (no relation to "Focus On The Family (tm)". I raised my hand all every paragraph and felt none the worse.


    I MIGHT FORGIVE BUT I NEVER FORGET THEIR SINS! FORGIVENESS IS EARNED NOT GIVEN. FORGIVENESS IS FOR THOSE WHO DESERVE IT!

    Their inability to accept the rampant hatred in our circuit shows they need my husband at HQ. Today's lesson rubbed me the wrong way and I don't like throwing Christian concepts in our way of life. We are to focus on Jehovah, not the ways of Jesus Christ!

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    'I don't like throwing Christian concepts in our way of life. We are to focus on Jehovah, not the ways of Jesus Christ! '

    That is the wt, 100%. The only thing is, they don't spell it out clearly, like that. They like to give the impression that they are christian.

    S

  • blondie
    blondie

    A STORY OF "FORGIVENESS" IN THE WTS

    http://jwsurvey.org/child-abuse-2/bo-juel-jensen-could-he-be-watchtowers-worst-nightmare#comments

  • label licker
    label licker

    Blondie, I wonder if society will ever write a whole article on "Have You Said Your Sorry" in stead of always having to take it up the @$$!Me, I like saying I didn't mean to do it when I'm accused of something or get in trouble:) Keep up the good work! It doesn't go unnoticed.

  • JW GoneBad
    JW GoneBad

    Blondie , thank you for that link. WOW! I just watched Bo Juel Jesen’s video on WT about their giving child molesters a free pass in the Norway congregations. His concluding comment on how 2012 ended and what is to come in 2013 as ‘the snow flake on top of the iceberg’ caused the hair on my back to stand up. His message to all JWs (past and present) is that something ‘BIG’ is coming down the pipe.......soon!

  • hoser
    hoser

    Great review as usual Blondie!

    An article full of weasel words to condition the victims to believe it is their fault they suffer.

    hoser

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