The Rise Of America's Lunatic Fringe

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  • BizzyBee
    BizzyBee

    What is the overall context within which these conspiracy theories are developed?

    One broad generalization is that conspiracy theories seem to primarily be the province of the right wing. The RW distrusts government the most, wants government to shrink to nothing, does not see any useful function for government and actively works to undermine the authority and powers of the government. It is logical that they would most strongly support the notion that the government is lying to us about everything.

  • A.M. Number 1
    A.M. Number 1

    This is one of the most ad hominem filled threads I have ever seen. First of all the original article by using the word "Lunatic" incorrectly wrote a completely rhetoric-filled vitriol and metatron found that attractive enough to say "spot on."

    So some child named Tyler Durden a la Fight Club on the internet writes a rant, and you call it good literature?

    Even the term Conspiracy Theorist assumes a biased "I know better than you, I am smarter than you" kind of stance. then the insults just kept flying all the way down the thread. Every person on this thread is just pointing fingers at the other guy and posturing themselves as more educated or informed than the other guy.

    The main stream media, the "line" isn't always the truth. And so-called Conspiracy Theories are not always false. The Government lies and really good questions are not answered satisfactorily.

    The writer of the article acts as if we should all ask him for a list of what things we should believe and what things we should not believe or else be branded a lunatic! Well, that's an arrogant and clearly inflammatory stance to take. In fact it may even be a CRAZY stance to take.

    He who points a finger should notice the three pointing back at him.

  • Mum
    Mum

    That 21-second video of Hilary Clinton was made when she was sticking up for her husband while the Monica Lewinski scandal was all over the media. I am a great admirer of Hilary in general, but she made a fool of herself, particularly after having asserted that she was not one of those "stand-by-your-man" women "like Tammy Wynette."

    In general, I agree that the "right wing" is constantly plotting to discredit and derail any member of the Democratic party, especially one who is elected President. I understand (but have not verified) that Mitch McConnell rallied the troops, so to speak, to do everything possible to ensure that the economy does not improve while Obama is in office.

    Regards,

    SandraC

  • metatron
    metatron

    "Tyler Durden" posts lots of semi-conspiracy stuff on his ZeroHedge site - most of it involving financial wrongdoing (Tyler Durden -"Fight Club", get it?)

    Conspiracies involving government and big business are not a trivial matter. The conspiracy to invade Iraq on trumped up accusations may have cost the lives of many tens of thousands of innocent people, as well as wasted hundreds of billions that could have created jobs, fixed our infrastructure or provided healthcare for millions.

    Is the US drifting towards becoming a police state? Are we losing our constitutional rights? Are we being driven towards a even more disastrous war with Iran? These are not minor concerns - and no, you aren't going to find "hard" laboratory-level, peer-reviewed evidence to support your concerns about these conspiracies. Why? because they're conspiracies, get the idea? When powerful people do bad things, they usually take care to conceal their efforts and lie to others about it.

    The logic or reasoning style to use (logically) is forensics and a sense of criminal investigation. There is no other way.

    The world is like Rashomon - and you have no choice but to make intuitive guesses to figure it out - and perhaps, protect yourself.

    metatron

  • Berengaria
    Berengaria
    The conspiracy to invade Iraq on trumped up accusations may have cost the lives of many tens of thousands of innocent people, as well as wasted hundreds of billions that could have created jobs, fixed our infrastructure or provided healthcare for millions.
    Is the US drifting towards becoming a police state? Are we losing our constitutional rights? Are we being driven towards a even more disastrous war with Iran? These are not minor concerns - andno, you aren't going to find "hard" laboratory-level, peer-reviewed evidence to support your concerns about these conspiracies. Why? because they're conspiracies, get the idea? When powerful people do bad things, they usually take care to conceal their efforts and lie to others about it.

    Yes you are. There is evidence and logically gathered information about every bit of what is mentioned here.

  • Tater-T
    Tater-T

    Conspiracy theories result from a pattern-perception mechanism gone awry--- they are cognitive versions of the Virgin Mary Grilled Cheese

    Christopher Chabris and Daniel Simons. "The Invisible Gorilla"

  • kurtbethel
    kurtbethel
    I read a book a while back on the debunking the 9/11 truthers. The author made a good point that many if not most of these theories feed a pyschological need to impose order on a chaotic world. People want to believe that JFK was killed by the coordinated efforts of professionals because we don't want to think that any of us good be done in by one nut. The same sort of thing is the psychology behind the truthers.

    One thing that drives conspiracy theories is the psychology of the person believing them. When Reagan won the election in 1980 there was a conspiracy theory about an October surprise that involved Daddy Bush sneaking off to Paris to negotiate a hostage deal with the Iranians. In order to fit this event into the time alloted in the Bush schedule, the theory placed him as a passenger in a very fast plane called the SR-71 so he could get there and back fast enough. I am not making this up. I heard a lot about that back then. I would guess there were people who could not accept that Reagan won the election fairly so they found this explanation gave them some resolution. It looks like this same thing drives the birthers, the inability to accept that Obama could possibly have been elected president, so they look for an out and the squirrely events surround the birth certificate feed that.

    Picture Hillary, hearing those rumors about Bill having his vein drained by a young intern. She just could not accept that, and concocted this elaborate vast conspiracy about people out to get him, just so she would not have to deal with the possibility that Bill was just a disgusting lech. You might recall that he did the finger wagging denial and only when the heat was turned up later by the law that he did the apology speech and confessed to her. That was the official narrative. Maybe she knew all along and the conspiracy theory was a ruse so she could try to save face. I feel for her deeply in that, so I wouldn't blame her for doing anything short of running a hat pin through that lunkhead's skull. But the reality is that both parties run dirty tricks operations against each other and the Clintons went from a provincial operation in Arkansas to the big leagues of national politics and got in over their heads where they could not buy off and paper over their shenanigans.

    The one common element of enduring conspiracy theories is that they are not falsifiable. The satanic ritual abuse hysteria died out because one could excavate the church or daycare and find out there were no secret tunnels and dead animals. But when you look at the grassy knoll in Dallas, you can't prove there wasn't a guy behind the fence with a gun, and there is an 18 hour block in October 1980 where you can't prove Daddy Bush wasn't on the SR-71 shuttling to Paris and back, you can't prove that some vast league of minions were not conspiring to send a comely Jewess to seduce Wandering Bill, and you can't prove that Mama Obama was not in Kenya when she squirted out The One. Sure, these may seem unlikely, silly, or maybe slightly plausible, but a believer will not be pried from them if they are tenacious enough.

  • metatron
    metatron

    Vague generalities. No reply needed. metatron

  • kurtbethel
    kurtbethel
    Vague generalities. No reply needed. metatron

    You Crank! LOL!

    I was working at one time on the mother of all conspiracy theories, the one that ties all the other conspiracy theories into a big one which I called the Grand Unified Conspiracy.

    It was going really well until I uncovered the fact that the Earth was not a globe, but that it was shaped like a can, with the poles being flattened, and it had a wedge cut out of it where the Pacific ocean is found on the maps.

    It was so shocking that I abandoned my work on the topic, burned all my notes and never looked back.

    hot naked fantasies about conspiracy theory

  • metatron
    metatron

    OK, I just finished a book on Biocentrism and it's very interesting .... but it does suffer from being a 'theory of everything', by definition.

    Psychology, by itself, is nearly a non-falsifiable theory of everything. Feynman accused it of being a pseudo-science.

    Without getting into the whole truther controversy, I find it simply amazing that 25 - 30 some percent ( depending on the poll) believe that 9/11 was either a Government plot or they at least knew and did nothing - so that 3,000 Americans were killed.............. and the country goes on somehow.

    I continue to think that we are seeing a significant change in 'zeitgeist' - in which everything seems to be getting exposed, everywhere, as never before. There is a global decline in confidence in business and government.

    What does it mean? Does it lead somewhere or have a eventual purpose? Maybe.....

    metatron

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