Think this may help new members and lurkers in the back ground

by AMO 20 Replies latest jw friends

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  AMO

  Think this may help all new members here and any lurkers in the back ground,who may be struggeling with the conscience. I'am not a jw but when i came across this short vid my jaw was on the floor. How can some body get away with such blatant lies and deception was beond me at the time, now i know differently. The Wachtower know exactly when Jerusalem was distroyed thay just don't whan you to know. Apologies to original poster, tried to bump this but could not find.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FeIzb2uPDA
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  LostGeneration

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FeIzb2uPDA

  Good video, unfortunately JWs take their history lessons from the Watchtower society, not Michael Jursa and the British Museum!
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  AMO

  Thanks LostGeneration for making the link clickable. Just found out a couple of treads above on how to do it, lol.
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  Londo111

  marked
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  Think About It

  That was very interesting. The WTS is full of shit. The internet again exposes them and kicks their lying ass.
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  DATA-DOG

  Here is the actual Awake article.

  AReceiptThatCorroboratestheBibleRecord

  ? A two-inch-wide [5.5 cm] clay tablet was unearthed in the 1870's near modern-day Baghdad, Iraq. In 2007, Michael Jursa, a professor at the University of Vienna, in Austria, came across the tablet while doing research at the British Museum. Jursa recognized the name Nebo-sarsechim (Nabu-sharrussu-ukin, in its Babylonian form), a Babylonian official mentioned in the Bible at Jeremiah 39:3.

  Nebo-sarsechim was one of King Nebuchadnezzar's commanders at the destruction of Jerusalem in 607 B.C.E., and according to the tablet, he is called "the chief eunuch." Moreover, the title chief eunuch was held by only one man at any given time, providing strong evidence that the Sarsechim in question is the same man mentioned in the Bible.

  The tablet records a gold delivery that Nebo-sarsechim made to the temple of Marduk, or Merodach, the chief god of Babylon, whose name is also mentioned in the Bible. (Jeremiah 50:2) The receipt is dated the 10th year, 11th month, and 18th day of Nebuchadnezzar's reign. The gold delivery, however, had nothing to do with the sacking of Jerusalem, which occurred years later. (2 Kings 25:8-10, 13-15) Nevertheless, "finding something like this tablet, where we see a person mentioned in the Bible making an everyday payment to the temple in Babylon and quoting the exact date, is quite extraordinary," said Professor Jursa. Acclaimed as one of the most significant discoveries in modern Biblical archaeology, the tablet "supports the view that the historical books of the Old Testament are based on fact," says Britain's Telegraph newspaper.

  The Bible's veracity, however, does not depend on archaeology. Far more powerful evidence can be found within the Bible itself, especially in its prophecies. (2 Peter 1:21) For example, more than 100 years in advance, Jehovah God, speaking through the prophet Isaiah, foretold that all the treasures in Jerusalem would "be carried to Babylon." (Isaiah 39:6, 7) Likewise, through the prophet Jeremiah, God foretold: "I will give all the stored-up things of this city [Jerusalem] . . . into the hand of their enemies. And they will certainly plunder them and take them . . . to Babylon."-Jeremiah 20:4, 5.

  Nebo-sarsechim was one of those enemies, and as such, he was also an eyewitness of the fulfillment of Bible prophecy. In fact, whether he knew it or not, he actually shared in that fulfillment.

  [Footnote]

  At Jeremiah 39:3, the NewWorldTranslation reads: "Samgar-nebo, Sarsechim, Rabsaris," following the punctuation in the Hebrew Masoretic text. But the Hebrew consonantal text could be rendered: "Samgar, Nebo-sarsechim the Rabsaris [or, the Chief Court Official]," which agrees with the cuneiform tablet.

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  Copyright The Trustees of the British Museum

  Here is the actual quote from Professor Michael Jursa:

  Dr. Jursa, associate professor at the University of Vienna, said, "It's very exciting and very surprising. Finding something like this tablet, where we see a person mentioned in the Bible making an everyday payment to the temple in Babylon and quoting the exact date, is quite extraordinary."

  Here is what happened:

  Upon reading the tablet, which records a donation of gold by "the chief eunuch of King Nebuchadnezzar," a man named Nabu-sharrussu-ukin, Jursa suddenly realized that the name sounded familiar. He quickly consulted Jeremiah 39, where he found the man's name listed as one of Nebuchadnezzar's top ministers who took part in the destruction of the First Holy Temple 2,500 years ago. The Biblical account, however, has his named spelled slightly differently: (Samgar) Nevo Sarsekim.

  Here is the entire article that I found simply by typing in the partial quote in the Awake.

  « Our World: No heroes in Act ThreePalestinian Authority TV Continues to Preach: Kill Jews » Babylonian King's Eunuch Really Existed! by Hillel Fendel (IsraelNN.com) A routine research visit to the British Museum nets a landmark archaeological discovery and proof of the Old Testament's truth. British newspapers report that ancient Babylonian expert Dr. Michael Jursa of Vienna discovered a small clay tablet that provides proof of the Old Testament's veracity. Though the tablet was unearthed near Baghdad in 1920, only last week was it deciphered for the first time, by Dr. Jursa. Upon reading the tablet, which records a donation of gold by "the chief eunuch of King Nebuchadnezzar," a man named Nabu-sharrussu-ukin, Jursa suddenly realized that the name sounded familiar. He quickly consulted Jeremiah 39, where he found the man's name listed as one of Nebuchadnezzar's top ministers who took part in the destruction of the First Holy Temple 2,500 years ago. The Biblical account, however, has his named spelled slightly differently: (Samgar) Nevo Sarsekim. Irving Finkel, assistant keeper in the British Museum's Middle East Department, was very excited: "This is a fantastic discovery," he told The Telegraph, "a world-class find. If Nevo-Sarsekim existed, [then] which other lesser figures in the Old Testament existed? A throwaway detail in the Old Testament turns out to be accurate and true. I think that it means that the whole of the narrative [of Jeremiah] takes on a new kind of power." Speaking with The Times, Finkel said, "A mundane commercial transaction takes its place as a primary witness to one of the turning points in Old Testament history. This is a tablet that deserves to be famous." Dr. Jursa, associate professor at the University of Vienna, said, "It's very exciting and very surprising. Finding something like this tablet, where we see a person mentioned in the Bible making an everyday payment to the temple in Babylon and quoting the exact date, is quite extraordinary." Dr. Jursa has been visiting the museum for over 15 years to study a collection of more than 100,000 inscribed tablets. Reading and piecing together fragments is painstaking work, The Times reports, and more than half are yet to be published. The full translation of the tablet, as provided in The Telegraph, reads: "[Regarding] 1.5 minas (0.75 kg) of gold, the property of Nabu-sharrussu-ukin, the chief eunuch, which he sent via Arad-Banitu the eunuch to [the temple] Esangila: Arad-Banitu has delivered [it] to Esangila. In the presence of Bel-usat, son of Alpaya, the royal bodyguard, [and of] Nadin, son of Marduk-zer-ibni. Month XI, day 18, year 10 [of] Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon." "Not Altogether Invented" On hearing of the discovery, Geza Vermes, the eminent emeritus professor of Jewish studies at the University of Oxford, said it shows that "the Biblical story is not altogether invented." The reactions of Vermes and Finkel indicate that the discovery has not yet totally shaken the core faith of some who believe that the Bible is not true. The Bible is merely not "altogether invented," one says, and "who knows how many other Old Testament figures may have existed?" However, many websites provide information regarding the truth of the Torah; click here for one sample site.

  So once again, the passage of time, research and the internet, prove the dishonesty of the WTBTS. So much for being accurate in even the smallest detail.

  No wonder they fear the internet! I am still shocked at the lies they are willing to tell.
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  AnnOMaly

  Another one.

  Next week's Jeremiah book lesson contains this:

  

  Looking at Dr. Eilat Mazar's page on The Institute of Archaeology website, right at the bottom, we see this:

  Finds from the northeastern part of the revealed structure testify that it was used to the end of the First Temple period (586 BCE). A special find dated to this time is a bulla, a seal impression on hardened clay used for sealing public documents. It is 1cm in diameter, and contains three lines of a Hebrew script characteristic of the end of the First Temple period. The inscription mentions Yehochal, son of Shelemyahu, son of Shuvi. A Yehochal who served as a minister in Zedekiah's kingdom is referred to in Jeremiah 37:3 and 38:1. The bulla is thus evidence of the royal use of the structure until the end of the First Temple period.
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  AMO

  Bumped for cha ching
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  problemaddict

  So since the tablets don't neccesarily have anything to do with the chronology, the society is basically stating 607 in there to make it SEEM as though they are related?

  Would that be an accurate summation?
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  likeabird

  The tablet is very important to chronology as it has specific dates on it. The borg just prefers to replace them with their own dates and then tell us we can't trust archeological evidence...

  Still can't believe how blatant they can be. Thanks for starting this thread. It's excellent. Quite a gem.

  This is the text quoted in the video and by the Awake article above (May 2009 page 11) :

  http://www.britishmuseum.org/about_us/news_and_press/press_releases/2007/biblical_archaeology_find.aspx

  Important breakthrough in Biblical archaeology

  Existence of Babylonian official connected with the Fall of Jerusalem and mentioned in the book of Jeremiah confirmed in cuneiform tablet

  Working at the British Museum, Assyriologist Michael Jursa has made a breakthrough discovery whilst examining a small clay tablet with a Babylonian cuneiform inscription. The document is dated to the 10 th year of Nebuchadnezzar II (595 BC). It names a Babylonian officer, Nebo-Sarsekim, who according to chapter 39 of the Book of Jeremiah was present at the siege of Jerusalem in 587 BC with Nebuchadnezzar himself. The tablet thus confirms the historical existence of the Biblical figure. Evidence from non-Biblical sources for individuals named in the Bible other than kings is incredibly rare.
  
  Nebo-Sarsekim is described in the book of Jeremiah as ‘chief eunuch’ (as the title is now translated, rather than ‘chief officer’). The Babylonian tablet proves that his name was really pronounced as Nabu-sharrussu-ukin, and gives the same title, ‘chief eunuch,’ in cuneiform script, thereby confirming the accuracy of the Biblical account.

  The discovery highlights the importance of the study of cuneiform. The British Museum’s collection contains well over one hundred thousand inscribed tablets which are examined by international scholars on a daily basis. Reading and piecing together fragments is painstaking and slow work, but cuneiform tablets are our only chance of obtaining knowledge of this fateful period of human history. Other discoveries made whilst examining tablets include an Assyrian version of the Old Testament flood story, observations of Halley’s Comet and even rules for the world’s oldest board game.

  Dr Jursa, Associate Professor of the University of Vienna, has been studying tablets at the British Museum since 1991. He says of this discovery:
  “Reading Babylonian tablets is often laborious, but also very satisfying: there is so much new information yet to be discovered. But finding something like this tablet, where we see a person mentioned in the Bible making an everyday payment to the temple in Babylon and quoting the exact date is quite extraordinary.”
  
  Irving Finkel, Assistant Keeper in the Department of the Middle East at the British Museum, commented: “Cuneiform tablets might all look the same, but sometimes they contain treasure. Here a mundane commercial transaction takes its place as a primary witness to one of the turning points in Old Testament history. This is a tablet that deserves to be famous.’

  For further information please contact Hannah Boulton on +44 (0)20 7323 8522 or
  [email protected]

  Notes to editors:

  • Cuneiform is the oldest form of writing known to us and was commonly used in the Middle East between 3,200 BC and the second century AD. Today there are only a small number of scholars worldwide who can read cuneiform script which was created by pressing a wedged-shaped instrument (usually a cut reed) into moist clay. Each tablet is a unique window into the past and allows us a direct link to the people who lived during that period. Examples of cuneiform tablets are on permanent display in the Museum and the whole collection can be accessed by appointment through the Middle East Study Room. More information on cuneiform can be found at www.thebritishmuseum.ac.uk/explore/themes/writing
  • Nebuchadnezzar II (Nabu-kudurri-usur, 'O Nabu, protect the son') came to the throne in 604 BC, on the death of his father Nabopolassar. The Babylonians had conquered the Assyrian empire having allied themselves with the Iranian Medes. After his coronation in Babylon the new king campaigned in Syria for five months. In 601 BC Nebuchadnezzar marched to the Egyptian frontier. The Babylonian and Egyptian armies clashed and both sides suffered heavy losses. Over the next few years the struggle between the Babylonians and Egyptians continued and in the course of these campaigns Jerusalem was captured (597 BC). Problems in this region persisted when Zedekiah, the Babylonian-appointed king of Judah, rebelled. As a result, in 587-6 BC Jerusalem was taken again and a large section of the population deported.