Should Each Governing Body Member Drink Ayahuasca?

by frankiespeakin 41 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • doofdaddy
    doofdaddy

    Yeah maybe shortcut but also extremely dangerous without proper guidance. I know of two deaths around aya and dmt (one a suicide). Agreed though that drugs can be a key e.g. how many famous painters and writers drank alcohol, used heroin? It's just a razor's edge that can go either way while self reflection is also extremey powerful just (possibly) slower.

    One thought came to mind, I wonder if dmt takes you to Jung's Collective Unconscious, the godhead if you like?

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    ' I know of two deaths around aya and dmt (one a suicide).'

    That is why support is so important. For instance, the shaman and his helpers/attendants are all over the subjects at certain critical points. I knew i carried great pain,a primordial pain, if you will, from very early in my life. After i left the wt, spent yrs trying to get at it, both w mj and without, straight. I used meditation and went to a couple of hypnotherapists. They actually wouldn't allow me to go as deep as i wanted. Then, one day as i was working, totally sober, it came up. I let it. It was too much. I just wanted out. I tried to figure where the nearest gun might be. Couldn't think of any. I drove into town and bought a 26oz of booze. Drank that, kept working and crying, at the same time. People passing by, passed quickly. Other support, besides booze would have been good.

    I'm not interested in going there, anymore. Perhaps, w the guys in peru, i would.

    S

  • doofdaddy
    doofdaddy

    Yeah I see your point. and I agree that the people in Peru seem to be very comforting and experienced. Trust is a big issue. Well done on letting that shit out. I write. And yes a glass or two of good red helps get down into those dark hidden corners where the rats live but too much booze and we may join the rats living permenantly in the past. The main thing is you had the bravery to confront your past head on without meds etc. The true "warrior's" journey.

  • frankiespeakin
    frankiespeakin

    Satan,

    Seems to took the psychic energy of the pain buried in the unconscious and made conscious, it is painful I know.

    I stopped a couple of years ago because my time window was closing, and I was digging up a lot of shadow material. Even though painful I'needed to happen all for the better.

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    Doof

    Thankyou. That's kind.

    Frankie

    'I stopped a couple of years ago because my time window was closing, and I was digging up a lot of shadow material.'

    So, the ayahausca trips you did weren't enough to clear that?

    S

  • frankiespeakin
    frankiespeakin

    No but it is still working even though I've stopped years ago. I suppose I have a lot of cleared but more to face up to and it is comming in bits easy to handle now, slower sometimes is better in some areas I think. Creativity is increasing and I seem less blocked up or if I am blocked it clears with a little more self understanding.

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  • soontobe
    soontobe

    Any thoughts on differences between huasca and psylocibin? I've never partaken of the former. I've read the Strassman book, BTW.

  • frankiespeakin
    frankiespeakin

    Both are tryptamines:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tryptamine

    Both cause a measure of nausia, and in my opinon very similar in effect and time duration. Although I felt a hightening of visual clearity on shrooms.

    Ayahuasca seems to be the cheapest way to go by far, as you can get the ingrediance far cheaper and legally thru the mail, where as growing mushrooms from spores bought over the internet on steralized rice flour cakes take a certain amount of technical skill and about 2month time.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHJQrsZFQdE

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-wEPM1wpZQ

  • soontobe
    soontobe

    2 months sounds about right. Great yields if you use a coffee solution instead of water. What can I say, I've got a fungus thumb.

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