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  • JT
    JT

    Over the years of being on the net there are always some post that just stand out more than others. there is a guy not sure where he is from but his name is Norm, - this guy has no idea the role he played in my leaving wt. He never argues , just presents facts that CAN'T BE DENIED and for me that was the hardest part.

    I had to concede that my man had his stuff backed up with proof- page and paragraph

    Well I would like to share them with some of you , esp those who may be new to the site.

    As you read these post think seriously about what it says about the org that has directed OUR LIVE IN LIFE AND DEATH ISSUES

    THEN TO you too make want to save these as well they are just that well researched

    enjoy

    James

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    Posted by N.H. [Pravo] on January 13, 2000 at 00:35:24
    {z0Q.VYic9wMNeo5UWiLAX.sgIvMbfw}:

    "A sense of urgency"

    The above phrase is one of the most cherished in the Watchtower's huge
    arsenal of tools for manipulation. It is used to work the average Jehovah's Witness into a sort of frenzy and keep them there. This is of the outmost importance for the Watchtower Society leaders. Many Jehovah's Witnesses has spent their entire lives in this state, hoping and longing for the promises of the Watchtower to come through, only to die of old age after a wasted lifetime peddling worthless books and magazines, which sometimes is outdated before
    the ink in them is dry.

    Lets take a closer look at the use of this phrase in the Watchtower literature. A search of the CD ROM show that the phrase had its beginning in the sixties:

    "Time is fast running out. We may not be slothful nor may we
    procrastinate if we would keep clean from the
    blood of all men. Truly, woe is us if we do not take
    advantage of every opportunity to warn all we can. Let us
    give the warning with earnestness and intensity, yes,
    with a sense of urgency as though this were our
    last time to warn our
    hearers. Who knows how soon this actually will be the case?"
    Watchtower, October 1. 1960, page 608

    "Franz went on to explain that the remarks
    of the speaker were
    perfectly sane, for God's Word foresaw the
    end of World War II, and
    following it a postwar peace that would not
    last. "Now, here we are,"
    Franz continued, "in the twenty-first year
    of this peace since World
    War II, and the prediction is that this peace
    will not last. . . . It should
    fill you with a sense of urgency,"
    Franz told the students, "to realize
    that the sands in the hourglass up above
    are running out, and the time
    is coming to a close for this work that has
    to be done before this peace
    ends." Watchtower, April 1. 1966, page 195-6.

    Yeah, sure. Like countless other doomsayers Franz is now pushing up daisies. All of them making it a lifetime career showing their insanities down other people's throats. Their "sense of urgency" proved to be little more then a fantasy, and a very sick one at that. In the end of the sixties, when the year 1975 got the attention this phrase was beginning to get more use:

    "They Feel the Urgency
    One of the most outstanding proofs of the
    growing sense of urgency
    among God's people is the number of persons
    who arranged their
    affairs to spend their full time in the preaching
    work regularly or for a
    vacation period. This past year over 10,000 more
    than during the
    preceding year enthusiastically took up this
    work. This meant many
    sacrifices for mothers, fathers, young ones
    and older folks."
    Watchtower, February 1. 1969. Page 93-4.

    "They Are Acting on What They Are Learning
    But when they were told about the new six-month Bible-study
    arrangement, they were visibly touched. Now for
    the first time a real
    sense of urgency struck them. They could not bear
    the thought of
    having all connections with Jehovah's people
    severed. So they sent a
    letter of withdrawal to the Baptist church
    because they knew that they
    were not being taught the Bible's truth there.
    They began attending all
    the Bible meetings of Jehovah's witnesses and
    sharing with others the
    things they learned."
    Watchtower, June 1. 1969, page 347.

    "What so amazed the onlookers?… It was the
    sense of urgency that
    motivates them.
    That sense of urgency stems from
    the knowledge, gleaned from the
    Bible, that soon now, not many years hence,
    Jehovah's judgment
    against a wicked system of things on earth
    will be executed."
    Watchtower, February 15. 1970, page 121.

    "There is need to participate in that work with a
    sense of urgency,
    too, for the end of this wicked system of things
    is drawing near. The
    time is short. The harvest is great and the workers
    are few."
    Watchtower, July 1. 1973, page 405.

    "They feel a sense of urgency as they talk to
    people, for they look
    upon the short time remaining for this system of
    things as a time of
    Jehovah's exercise of patience, knowing that he
    does not desire the
    death of anyone." Watchtower, October 15. 1974,
    page 631.

    "Working Night and Day" to Make Disciples
    JEHOVAH'S organization works with a sense of
    urgency. There is a
    job to get done."
    Watchtower, Mach 15. 1975, page 177.

    After the 1975 failure the "sense of urgency" was shelved
    until 1978-79. After
    1975 several hundred thousand left the Watchtower Society and the remaining
    showed a tendency towards leading a normal life. Of course Jehovah's
    Witnesses can't be allowed to have a normal life. People living normal lives
    don't peddle worthless literature door to door, so here we go again:

    "Many would lose the sense of urgency and fail
    to keep wide awake.
    We could easily become fully occupied with
    he normal pursuits of
    daily life. Surely in this we must learn how
    to look at things from
    Jehovah's viewpoint and try to appreciate how
    he counts time,
    keeping in mind Peter's words: "But the end of \
    all things has drawn
    close. Be sound in mind, therefore, and be
    vigilant with a view to
    prayers."-1 Pet. 4:7; 2 Pet. 3:8, 9."
    Watchtower, April 15. 1979, page 24-5.

    Unbelievable isn't it? They actually tell the R&F that they shouldn't under any
    circumstance, "become fully occupied with the normal pursuits of daily life",
    amazing, isn't it? In other words, being normal people isn't anything for a real
    Jehovah's Witness.
    It is quite amusing to notice the completely weird argument for this kind of
    strange thinking and worldview, they are quoting a man who was also waiting
    in vain for some imaginary deity to perform some imaginary act almost 2000
    years ago. The example of Peter does in reality show us how utterly hopeless
    this whole idea is. But of course, there will probably be a lot of idiots still
    quoting this same text 2000 years from now, with "a sense of urgency".

    "Could it be that we are living in a "dream,"
    asleep to the reality of
    the changing world scene, perhaps spending too much
    time and money
    in pursuit of material interests? Even as a
    dreamer has no sense of
    time, have we also lost the sense of urgency
    of the times in which we
    are living?"
    Watchtower, March 15. 1979, page 30.

    It is Jehovah's Witnesses who really do live in a dream, totally asleep to the
    realities of the world scene. The only urgency any Jehovah's Witness should
    feel is to get out of the weird world they live in, and start getting a life. Now,
    after the 1914 "rubber band" generation was finally allowed to die, there is a
    new tendency among the average Jehovah's Witnesses toward living normal
    lives. After several decades of having stretched the "generation" all the way
    up to 80 years, Brooklyn is now working extremely hard to convince the
    Witnesses that whatever the "generation" means it is an extremely short one,
    again the "end" is very near, and the "sense of urgency" phrase is utilized to
    its fullest. With all of their "carrots" in the form of some time frame gone, now
    remains only the "stick" with which the average Witness must be prodded into
    action and a constant repetition of how "urgent" the "time" is, are used as
    never before in the Watchtower.

    Of course after all the time on this same poor "spiritual diet" the Witnesses are
    almost immune to this constant yelling about the "end", after over 100 years of
    this, the Watchtower Society continues the mindless tradition of other
    fundamentalists in repeating the mantra from 2000 years ago about the "end
    drawing close".

    "A sense of urgency moves Jehovah's Witnesses
    to be zealous in
    their ministry, as seen in their spending a total
    of 1,096,065,354 hours
    in 1994 preaching to their neighbors, making return
    visits, and
    conducting 4,701,357 Bible studies."
    Watchtower, January 1. 1995, page 17,18.

    One can hardly imagine a less productive way to spend ones time. An activity
    so utterly void of any possible value is difficult to find. Living a life as a victim
    constantly on the prowl to create and accumulate new victims of the same
    fraud is indeed tragic.

    "Guard Your Sense of Urgency
    WHAT is one sure, God-approved way
    to keep on serving Jehovah
    whole-souled? It is to have a genuine sense of
    urgency deep in our
    hearts. To serve God in a whole-souled manner
    means to serve him
    with the whole of our being, and it requires
    earnest, implicit obedience
    to everything he asks us to do." Watchtower,
    October 1. 1995, page
    25.

    Yeah sure, "implicit obedience" to a bunch of men who in their own senseless
    stupidity has gulled you into thinking that "serving Jehovah" is synonymous
    with peddling totally hopeless literature to an unsuspecting public.

    "Guard Your Sense of Urgency
    It is difficult, however, to put our heart and
    soul into our service to
    God if we do not have a feeling of urgency deep
    within ourselves or if
    the sense of urgency we once had has now become
    dull-perhaps lost
    altogether. Today, we live in a time of urgency
    unparalleled by any
    other period in man's history." Watchtower, October 1. 1995, page
    26.

    According to the Watchtower, when has there NOT been "a time of urgency
    unparalleled by any other period in man's history!"? Isn't this the very same
    nonsense as Peter was advertising about 2000 years ago?

    "Guard Your Sense of Urgency
    Some might raise the logical question, Why
    was a sense of urgency
    needed back then if the foretold "great tribulation"
    was centuries
    away?-Matthew 24:21"
    Watchtower, October 1. 1995, page 27.

    Yes indeed, why? And why do you still go on about this nonsense after almost
    2000 years? For how many more thousands of years will this stupidity continue
    before you realize that there is never going to be any "great tribulation"?

    "Guard Your Sense of Urgency
    Furthermore, he knew that his disciples would
    themselves benefit
    spiritually by maintaining a sense of urgency
    until his return."
    Watchtower, October 1. 1995, page 27.

    Can you imagine how beneficial it must be to be worked up about the
    imminence of something that will never come, and which you will never
    experience? How rewarding it must have been to have lived a lifetime waiting
    for something that will never materialize?
    To have put off an education, to have put off a career, to have put off pursuing
    a talent, in short, put off having a life, used your time on endless boring
    meetings and assemblies, listening to the same hopeless drivel over and over
    again thousands of times!

    "Guard Your Sense of Urgency
    The Christian sense of urgency has served
    Jehovah's purpose. It has
    helped Christ's disciples to carry out the
    progression of their
    assignment according to Jehovah's unerring
    schedule. And so today,
    looking back over nearly 2,000 years, we
    understand that divine
    schedule more fully."
    Watchtower, October 1. 1995, page 27.

    Incredible. If there is one thing that hits hard and with extreme clarity it is the
    fact that the Watchtower and the average Jehovah's Witness have absolutely
    no clue whatsoever about the "divine schedule"! How sad a spectacle this is.

    "Guard Your Sense of Urgency
    Yes, the God-stimulated sense of urgency had a wonderfully
    encouraging effect.."
    Watchtower, October 1. 1995, page 28.

    Yes, it had a very stimulating effect in 1874, in 1914, in 1925 and 1975, but
    immediately after these failures it had the opposite effect.

    "Guard Your Sense of Urgency
    The Lord Jesus said that his disciples would
    be like "sheep amidst
    wolves," and he knew the need for us to keep
    a determined, fixed
    view in order to combat the world. Yes, we have
    been safeguarded,
    protected by our Christian sense of urgency.-Matthew 10:16.
    Watchtower, October 1. 1995, page 28.

    Sigh.

    "Guard Your Sense of Urgency
    Jehovah God in his infinite wisdom has always given
    his servants
    enough information for them to keep their
    sense of urgency alive."
    Watchtower, October 1. 1995, page 28.

    Good grief. What information? If there is one thing the Watchtower Society
    has demonstrated beyond any reasonable doubt, it must be it's inability to
    understand anything related to the Bible. It's total ignorance screams from
    every page of the Watchtower.

    "Guard Your Sense of Urgency
    Yes, a godly sense of urgency is an integral
    part of whole-souled
    service to Jehovah. It wards off and helps thwart
    the Devil's attempts
    to cause God's servants to "get tired and give
    out in [their] souls."
    (Hebrews 12:3) For all eternity, whole-souled
    devotion will cause
    Jehovah's servants to obey him, but now, in
    these pre-Armageddon
    days, a deep, genuine sense of urgency is an
    essential part of
    whole-souled devotion. May Jehovah our God help all
    of us to guard
    our sense of urgency while we continue to echo the
    words of the
    apostle John: "Amen! Come, Lord Jesus."-Revelation 22:20."
    Watchtower, October 1. 1995, page 28.

    Godly sense of urgency? What on earth has this got to do with God? And here
    I thought that thousand years is as one day For God, so how can he possibly
    have a sense of urgency?

    "A Time to Keep Awake
    The need to keep awake is more critical
    than it has ever been. Jehovah
    has revealed to us "the things that must
    shortly take place," and we
    should respond with an absorbing sense of
    urgency.-Revelation 1:1;
    11:18; 16:14, 16." Watchtower, November 1. 1995, page 20.

    The incredibly silly idea that "keeping awake" includes running around
    shouting about doom and gloom and yelling about some "end" to be imminent
    is totally ridiculous. The amazing inability to learn and comprehend the simple
    fact that something that was declared to "shortly take place" 2000 years ago,
    and still hasn't occurred has lost all meaning. It is indeed a great tragedy to
    watch this total waste of time and energy that is caused by the Brooklyn lead
    multinational con operation.

    Norm.

  • Farkel
    Farkel

    Hi JT,

    That piece war written by Norm Hovland, one of the trio of killer ex-dub Vikings. The other two are (of course) Kent Steinhaug and Jan Haugland.

    If Norway had never made any other contributions to the world, those three would more than make up for that.

    Farkel

  • JT
    JT

    I agree

    they are truly a force to be dealt with,, I guess for me it was there constant documentation of things

    WHERE you reached the point of having to say "Uncle"

    smile

  • happy man
    happy man

    this post is a very good exampel on desinformation,and putt a messege
    you want to the reader widh taking forward only negative things,you can do this widh evrything, take only negative things never say anything good,but as human beeing we now that ther is a frontside and a backside, and this who only take one side and show this side as a fackt is a LIER.
    I have been Jw fore many years,and I now that we have some things who not is so good,likte this dfd thing, this system´in cong who very easly hurt peopel, even if it is not the purpus.
    Then we have some good things, 6 millons who are brothers and sisters from all over the word, nationalism no politics, make us UNIK,
    never have a religon have the power to do things like this,make jew, arab,or any other anymie in this word FREINDS, unbelevebel it is.
    None here want to say a word abuot this thing, JW are ONE NATION not sweds,not germans , not americans,we are all the same,same belife,same goal, and if you travel you find out his, you have friends allover, i have been in USA,in germany in spain, and other places this nice peopel who help you ,you can feel the spirit, dont say to mee JT that you never feel this . Some say JW are not alone,i dont agree,we are ALONE, none have come to this wordvide freedom of nationalsm, militarism, who have hurt mankind so terribel,as the organisation of Jehovas witneses. And you now the lord say you must bee brothers and love ech others, never understand who you can explain that this bigg religions fitt into this.
    LOok at israel today,killing teribbel kriems from both sides,no JW taking part in this, ofcurse catolic does, protestan does, jew does musslim does, a lot of this so calld free borns Christian does.
    Look on northern ireland,whats happen there where we have Christan peopel who killing ech other evry day,no JW are ther doing this, Catolic is participation, protestan are participaition, free christans are participation.
    Look in former yuoguslavia, terribel murdering from all sides,but now JW was in this,and as i say before the most terribel krimes of all is this happening in ruwanda ,why, catolics was deeply involvd in this murdering, they have even admit it today, but no JW was in this mess.I dont say this because I want to boast, this have bee no easy thing and offers have beeb involvd,but I am very happy to bee involvd in this wordvide nation who have the strength and the power to go against this military madness we see all over tha word today. Must ask you what is the sulution of this,if not a international brotherhod who take away the nationasim poision, ONE PEOPEL ON THE EARTH,
    This was one of the positive things never told on this sites, WHY JT.
    I can tell morelater, and I no you now them, but never yopu tell it, WHY JT WHY?

  • Farkel
    Farkel

    happy man,

    : this post is a very good exampel on desinformation,and putt a messege
    you want to the reader widh taking forward only negative things,you can do this widh evrything, take only negative things never say anything good,but as human beeing we now that ther is a frontside and a backside, and this who only take one side and show this side as a fackt is a LIER.

    What part is a lie, you Dipfuck troll?

    Farkel

  • SYN
    SYN

    Farkel: Well, somebody had to say the T word, I guess! *LOL*

    Happy Man: Sure, those brothers were so nice to you when you visited all of those other countries. How about if you'd told them you were disfellowshipped? They would've told you to go and place your head where the sun doth not cast it's hot rays. The only way to understand how terrible Dub shunning is, is to experience it for yourself.

    You are just asking for it with a post like this.

    Although I have a feeling you aren't Swedish at all.

    Your grammar and dictation resemble garbled English more than Swedish, which leads me to suspect that you are not being entirely truthful with us (not that I give a flying...a troll is a troll, no matter where they live on this planet of ours). Swedish has a very different structure to English (in grammatical and punctuational terms), so don't expect to fool us for terribly long. Why don't you just write your posts in plain ole English so they're easier to read if you aren't Swedish? Everybody will be Happy then (after all, apostates are the happiest people on Earth ) Reading your posts is like swimming through superglue.

    I also agree with Farkel. Which part exactly is a lie? If you don't tell us pretty soon, you're gonna have half the board (the more incindiary half) jumping down your throat for flamebait like that!

    So tell us some more 'positive' things about the BORG. Where to start? How about the hiding of child molesters, the supreme, unquestionable (and unscriptural) GB.

    Worst of all - if you question the commands handed down by the WTBTS, you are DFd. Bye bye. Nice knowing ya! And yet the Bible even says 'Make sure of all things'. But your 'Society' says something else.

    Interesting, eh? If you question what gets handed down from up high, you are dead. Bang. Goodbye. Toodeloo.

    WTBTS apologist alert!


    [SYN], UADA - Unseen Apostate Directorate of Africa - For Great Justice!

  • California Sunshine
    California Sunshine

    Hi JT,
    Thanks for this most informative post.
    I'm going to print this out and keep it just in case the time is ever right to give it to my JW sister. (Although, I'm not going to hold my breath).

    Hi to you too Farkle,
    Its hard to have patience some times huh! This person (see, I'm having patience and didn't say Troll) makes a bigger fool of himself than you or I ever could.

    Sunny

  • deddaisy
    deddaisy

    thank you for sharing that JT, it brought back memories........

    "...never have a religion have the power to do things like this, make JEW, Arab, or any other anymie in this word FREINDS, unbelevebel it is..."(sic)
    happy man

    yes happyman, it's more "unbelevebel" than you imagined if you take a look at what the WTS, this same organization that you speak so highly of, said in their "Declaration of Facts" in 1933:

    "It is falsely charged by our enemies that we have received financial support for our work from the JEWS. Nothing is farther from the truth."
    DECLARATION OF FACTS (of JW's)

    It doesn't sound like any JEWS, as you say, were "freinds" (sic) with the Society then, unless they simply weren't contributing any money....

    The Society's "Declaration" goes on to say:
    "The greatest and most oppressive empire on earth is the Anglo-American empire. By that is meant the British Empire, of which the United States of America forms a part. It has been the commercial JEWS of the British-American empire that have built up and carried on Big Business as a means of exploiting and oppressing the peoples of many nations. This fact is so manifest in America that there is a proverb concerning the city of New York which says:'The JEWS own it, the Irish Catholics rule it, and the Americans pay the bills."

    DECLARATION OF FACTS
    JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES ASSEMBLED AT BERLIN JUNE 25, 1933.
    (This Declaration, along with the letter from the Society to Hitler can be viewed at:
    http://www.star.net/People~docbob/default.htm
    Yes happy man, what a "loving" organization....

    Also, I don't agree with all wars, but I find your comments condemning "Catholics, Protestants, and Free Christians" that ,"kill" in war, insulting to the Catholics, Protestants, and Free Christians that gave their lives in war so that people like you could be free to practice your religion. And while your Society was busy "snuggling" up to the German government in order for their German followers to practice their religion, young boys of other faiths were preparing to give their lives for, among others, Jews, and Jehovah's Witnesses.

  • Beans
    Beans

    I have a sense of URGENCY to find fellow Apostates and share our stories together and possibly help others get out and see the DIVINE FUTURE!

    Great Thread JT!

    Beans

  • JT
    JT

    Happy man

    Thanks for responding to my post- while i don't share your views on this issue, i am glad that you at least are no longer allowing the Society to tell you where you can and can't go on the internet

    so there is hope that you will question other things since it is clear that you question the scriptual basis they have told you for not being on this site

    so welcome

    James

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