I have a dumb question re: publishing corp...

by new22day 23 Replies latest jw experiences

  • Honesty
    Honesty

    Here is how it really works for the Watchtower Society:

    1. JW picks up 10 magazines at the kingdom hall & "donates" $1.00 for each magazine which cost

    less than $.04 (4 cents) to write, print & distribute.

    2. JW places a magazine and recieves a $10.00 "donation" which the JW then "donates" to the

    Worldwide Work at the kingdom hall.

    3. The Watchtower Society just received $20.00 for 10 magazines that they have less than $.40 (40 cents) invested.

    4. The JW still has 9 more opportunities to increase the Watchtower's profit.

    5. The Watchtower Society pays no car insurance premiums, gas or salary to the JW.

    6. What a neat way to spread the kingdom message, huh.

    The trouble is NO ONE, not even JW's really know what message they are spreading.

    Read the Watchtower magazine and see for yourself how the GHOST WRITERS misapply scripture to

    their words.

  • villagegirl
    villagegirl

    The last figure I saw in print was that they were worth 200 billion. The recent sexual abuse case settled against the Watchtower Society , was a 21 million dollar $ victory for the 25 years old who was sexually molested as a child, and had the tenacity and bravery to come forward as an adult and sue. The offender was know to the elders and they never called the police because of WT rules. So - 21 million $$$ times - thousands of victims ? Children, now adults, long silent, sexually molested by known pedophiles and protected by congregation elders from exposeure or arrest. I hope these victims do a class action bring this evil empire down. And the eight men in charge should be in jail if justice is truly done.

  • new22day
    new22day

    Thanks everyone for answering my question. A few more...

    Are donations voluntary/private? Do people have to contribute or can they get away with no donations and still be a member?
    Are elders paid?
    Do the members of the Gov Body live modestly (if anyone knows)?
    I wonder where the money goes as the income seems high and costs seems low but many imply their finances may be tight.

    (I'm not trying to create outrage or press anyone's buttons - I'm just really curious about how it works...)

  • new22day
    new22day

    Thanks Honesty for laying that out for me. So JWs ask for donations for the mags when they give them out (I've never made it that far in a door to door convo to be asked).

    (I do recall coming home after school one day when I was little with some scary 'Watchtower'magazines (a JW must have given to me) and showing them to my Mom. She laughed, tossed them in the trash and told me not to read that garbage.)

  • NeverKnew
    NeverKnew

    This was written by another poster here on JWN named Garybuss. Every time I read it, I'm pi$$ed off again. Maybe you'll feel differently.

    All Watch Tower Society (Corporation) activities have to do with the books the leaders published.

    Personal study is reading the books the leaders published. Meetings are studying the books the leaders published. Service is distributing the books the leaders published. Bible studies are sessions indoctrinating new workers by using the books the leaders published.

    Kingdom Halls are distribution centers where inventory is stocked and a special literature counter is provided and staffed with volunteer workers for the sales people to pick up the books the leaders published. Contribution boxes are conveniently placed for "publishers" to pay by donation for the literature the leaders published.

    The worldwide ministry is to increase the distribution of the books the leaders published. The Corporation's school for missionaries is called Gilead, and it's purpose is to teach members how to start new congregations using the books the leaders published.

    Member's weekly schedules revolve around the study and distribution of literature the leaders wrote and published. That schedule is set up by the Watch Tower Publishing Corporation.

    Saturday morning is devoted to distributing magazines the leaders wrote and published.

    Sunday public talk meeting is given from an outline the leaders wrote and published on a topic selected by the leaders and referenced by books the leaders wrote and published.

    Sunday Watchtower Study meeting is reading from and studying a magazine the leaders wrote and published.

    Tuesday book study meeting is reading from and studying a book the leaders wrote and published.

    Wednesday is preparing for Thursday night meetings by reading books the leaders wrote and published.

    Thursday Theocratic Ministry School is speaking from and reading from books the leaders wrote and published.

    Thursday Service Meeting is a sales meeting training for presentations to distribute books and magazines the leaders wrote and published. The Service Meeting is also used to announce staff additions, changes, or deletions as approved by the Watch Tower Publishing Corporation.

    Daily texts are read daily from a book the leaders wrote and published.

    Yearly conventions are sponsored by the Watch Tower Publishing Corporation. The highlight is the release of new publications the leaders wrote and published and the water baptism of new "Publishers" who agree to be identified with the Publishing Corporation, calling themselves the "Spirit Directed Organization".

    Members are called "publisher" and only qualify to be recognized as members if they engage in the distribution of books and magazines the leaders wrote and published and then report that engagement on Field Service Report forms that the leaders published.

  • new22day
    new22day

    @NeverKnew. Thanks for the post. It's disturbing to read it all laid out that way. No wonder it's so tough to break through. I don't know how JWs can survive the boredom.

    (btw: I've read many of your posts these last few months and your QAs, dialogue really helped me understadn somethings. I think you're extremely articulate and intelligent in your approach with your friends and you seem to be able to maintain a good sense of humour. Good on ya! I wish I would've had just an ounce of your patience when I was with my ex. LOL Patience is not yet my virtue.)

  • Finkelstein
    Finkelstein

    In regards to the income the WTS. makes from literature sales its probably not its biggest cash cow as it used to be, when set prices were placed on

    everything to books magazines, bibles, cassette tapes, DVDs etc. .

    Nevertheless money is still accumulated from each Kingdom Hall from attending members for their own personal use and the door to door

    service work. The WTS. Corporation over its long history of 120 + years has published a long list of books and other pieces of literature

    which for the most part of that time had an arranged calculated profit margin.

    Where they gained financially the most in this proliferation and distribution is in sheer volume of all those publications combined.

    For example, many millions of Watchtower and Awakes were printed by this organization over the years.

    The WTS. has had much less operating costs in comparison to a typical non-religious publishing company

    and the organization didn't have to pay any taxes on money directed toward the organization.

    The other aspect to totally understanding the financial picture of the WTS. is that over the years many pieces of properties were

    donated toward the organization, as well properties that were bought by the organization on their own and now

    these properties have grown tremulously in value. $$$

    So no the WTS is certainly not as rich as some other religious organizations around but they are not hurting either.

  • clarity
    clarity

    Hi New22day ... good question

    >

    You have great answers on here ... but there is more to know

    believe me!

    >

    Just want to give you a simple example ... supposing that

    you wrote a book (1 book!)

    >

    Imagine that workers freely printed it for you, and donated

    $$$$$ for any costs involved!

    >

    Now imagine that 7 million people volunteered to distribute & sell

    it for you...at their expense, on their own time!

    >

    Realize, that to start with, you have a Captive Audience for

    your book. A huge market!

    They needed to buy it to STUDY & extras for all their little kids.

    >

    So 1 book X 7 million people who must buy it! (or contribute)

    >

    You name the price ....even at one dollar each =

    7 million TAX FREE dollars!

    Wouldn't you just love this deal!!!!!!!

    clarity

  • leaving_quietly
    leaving_quietly

    Hang on a sec... Some of what has been said in this thread just isn't true. Sorry, gotta call it out. We may be upset with WTS for whatever reason, but let's not misinform folks.

    2. JW places a magazine and recieves a $10.00 "donation" which the JW then "donates" to the Worldwide Work at the kingdom hall.

    This is a fallacy. Sorry. There was a switch to the donation arrangement in the late 80s or early 90s, and it was due to what frankenspeakie mentioned. For a number of years, there was a big push to ask for a donation while placing the magazines with people. There was never any set amount, so not sure where the $10.00 comes from in the above quote. In recent years, it's rare to hear that from the platform or in any article. Almost no one asks for a donation, at least not in the US. So, how do the books and magazines get covered? By what JWs themselves donate. I have collected donated money from the contribution boxes in the past, and I can tell you it's a mixed bag. Some JWs put in a significant amount on a monthly basis (I've seen checks from $50 to $100). Most put in way, way less. In the Kingdom Hall, there are three separate donation boxes. One for the local Kingdom Hall's expenses, which covers mortgage, utilities, restroom supplies, etc. One for the Worldwide Work, which covers expenses for missionaries, disaster relief, and anything else the corporation deems the money for. And one for the Kingdom Hall construction, a special fund where individuals can donate so that Kingdom Halls can be built in other areas of the world. The congregation I currently attend sends about $700 per month for the Worldwide work and around $400 per month for Kingdom Hall construction. For a congregation with over 100 JWs, that's not all that much per capita.

    5. The Watchtower Society pays no car insurance premiums, gas or salary to the JW.

    This is true, but the WTS does not benefit monetarily via insurance premiums or fuel when a JW participates in the ministry. This does not answer the original question.

    And the Watchtower has had a policy of having people donate their houses and land to the "society" or corporation even before they die ?

    I'm not sure where this one comes from. To my knowledge, there is and never has been any such policy. If I'm wrong, please show a quote. There is, however, a Charitable Planning department, and the WTS twice yearly discusses ways JWs can name the WTS as the beneficiary upon death. However, this is completely voluntary.

    Are donations voluntary/private? Do people have to contribute or can they get away with no donations and still be a member?

    Voluntary, yes. Mostly private, too. Only those handling the accounts (which are generally two men in the congregation, maybe a third as a backup) know what some give if they donate by check. Donations are not required.

    Are elders paid?

    Not one penny.

    Do the members of the Gov Body live modestly (if anyone knows)?

    They live as Bethelites, meaning they live at either headquarters or the Patterson Branch in a small, but nice apartment. Their needs are completely taken care of, just as any other person who lives at any Branch around the world. To my knowledge, they do not live in outlandish luxury. They do get paid trips all over the world because they go give talks, visit other Branches, etc., so there are perks. This topic has been discussed on this forum before. You may want to use the search feature.

    I wonder where the money goes as the income seems high and costs seems low but many imply their finances may be tight.

    Building projects (lots and lots of these), more investments in recent years in audio/video production equipment, ongoing costs in printing, disaster relief effort (mostly to JWs only in disaster areas) and apparently lots into legal.

    This doesn't fall into the category of making money, but it is one way that the corporation gets things done at a significantly reduced price. As was mentioned, all labor is free. The distribution of literature: free. Printing production labor: free. Maintenance on corporation owned property: free. Building new Kingdom Halls, Assembly Halls, Branch expansions: all free. JWs generally consider it a privilege to donate their time, money, equipment and expertise to work on these projects. The exception to this is anyone appointed as "International Servants" where they go from country to country to work on these building projects. These are essentially treated as Bethelites in that they get a stipend for living expenses, but at least their travel is paid for. Any involved in international construction projects who are NOT appointed specifically as "International Servants" have to foot the travel expenses themselves, but they usually are housed at the local branch at no cost.

  • new22day
    new22day

    Thank you Finkelstein. It's still hard for me to wrap my head around the profit ratios here, but I guess the sheer volumes of material in relation to meager donations (plus new recruits) all add to millions of dollars in their pockets. The property that's donated is another issue. (I'm a never JW and the thought of seniors donating their estates to the WTS disturbes me to my core.)

    I assume the leaders of the Gov. Body can't (easily?) live flamboyant lifestyles so I wonder where the money goes (knowing they don't do charity)? What's the point? Who's benefitting here? Do the leaders, in some deluded way, really believe what they are selling? (That question is a bit rhetorical and no response needed to that.) It's just a weird business arrangement and makes one wonder, where the money goes. All future legal costs aside.

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