The real problem with Watchtower.

by Rattigan350 23 Replies latest jw friends

  • Finkelstein
    Finkelstein

    The people who run this organization have always presented a continuous amount of self serving elements of propaganda such as

    so and so had an offer at a Rhodes Scholarship but instead decided he wanted to serve Jehovah (god) so he started working for the WTS.

    and distributing the organization's literature.

    Many of these statements are spun up Bullshit to feed people to get them to act in the same precarious way.

    Its just a form of adulterated commercialism in the same vein as the proclaiming Gospel of the Watchtower Corporation.

    People are not coerced into preaching the true gospel of the bible, they are being coerced and exploited to be the WTS's

    own self devised sales representatives though.

    There is an indulgent and intensional marketing scheme going on here, whether one realizes that or not.

  • Mum
    Mum

    So, in JW Speak, it is better to live on food stamps and handouts than to develop one's talents and earn a decent living and have a normal life.

    I feel so sad for the young woman who won that talent competition. She's giving up so much, and will get nothing in return.

  • DATA-DOG
    DATA-DOG

    Yeah, I got ya.

  • MrFreeze
    MrFreeze

    At least other cults like Scientology and Mormon let you have a life outside of the religion. For the JW's, they are not allowed to serve themselves at all. Everything must be done for the WT. If you have a talent like drawing or playing a musical instrument, you had better not make a display of it. I find it interesting that when I was growing up we used to have talent shows (or something akin to a talent show). During the last 5-10 years that I was a JW they stopped doing them.

    The cult sucks all humanity out of you until you are nothing but a shell.

  • Tater-T
    Tater-T

    I left in 87 .. right after the stop asking for contributions, I was under the impression that They didn't need or would ever need money..

    That being said... when people would ask me about them .. I would say" they aren't after your money.. but YOU your whole life.. all of it.. every moment of every waking hour .. belongs to them"

  • Billy the Ex-Bethelite
    Billy the Ex-Bethelite

    As someone who has finally returned to university to pursue my abilities, I can agree that WT's destruction of personal abilities and ambition are a real problem. Actually, I think the things you list first in your post are what lead to the type of mind-numbing that results in what you term "the real problem."

    Regardless of whether it was 1975 prophecies or the current "the end is coming soon", that is one of the tools they use to convince sheeple that pursuing their talents and abilities is a waste of time.

    "If somone wants to be a doctor, actor, nuclear physisist, singer or whatever, that one is discouraged about that and is only encouraged to pioneer, i.e. get 70 hours in the door to door to support the organization."

    I know my mom has told me that I could have been anything I wanted, but I pioneered and went to bethel as a personal decision rather than going to college, getting a career, and having a family. The primary defense I have is to point to the publications that promised that armageddon was coming within 70-80 years of 1914. It wasn't a "personal decision", it was a terrible decision based on terrible information disseminated by WT and pressure applied by the collective JW organization of the time. And I reminded her of the publications and talks demonizing "higher education" during the era that I graduated, praising singleness and childlessness. And I reminded her of how shocked and disappointed everyone, including her, was when my sister decided to get pregnant when the end was soooo near. That niece is now in her mid-20s.

    So for me, I can completely agree that WT destroying personal abilities and ambitions is terrible. But I see that their false prophecies have been a primary method of accomplishing that task. So, I can't ignore or separate those two issues.

    "Also, the 144,000 and 'two classes' with memorial partaking, and child abuse are not issues with this religion."

    I see these as huge issues, also related to your "real problem." Again I'll talk about my mom's thinking because she is so terribly infected with the thinking that "the organization is the only thing that matters." Due to the 144,000 teaching, she feels that she can't really have a personal relationship or understanding of god without the FDS. JW teachings have poisoned her to accepting the idea that Jesus is the only mediator between God and humans, thinking that she must obey this corporation because they claim to be channelling god. She feels that it's important to blindly accept whatever is in the lastest WT ragazine because it's coming from god... but there is a crack in that dam.

    And the child abuse issue is a huge sticking point in her mind. She is completely opposed to their policy on the elders calling the branch first rather than calling the police. In her mind, even she realizes that their priority of "protecting the organization" rather than protecting children is too far, and completely indefensible to her. And that is a crack that I'm able to widen to agree that their policy against "higher education" is also indefensible. JWs always have to run to doctors and lawyers, and where would they be without the engineers that design cars, buildings, electrical systems, etc.? Mom hates the memories of the "good old days" as she was raised in poverty and can't imagine going back to living without plumbing, electricity, cars, etc. Granted, mom's still a die-hard dub, but those cracks are enough to keep her from shunning me or turning me and my siblings in for apostacy!

  • Juan Viejo2
    Juan Viejo2

    The Watchtower's prejudice against education, self-expression, and personal growth may be a major contributor to the organization's own lack of growth and internal problems. Imagine if the Watchtower could point to the thousands of members who became engineers, educators, journalists, scientists, and sports stars who are/were Jehovah's Witnesses. They could show the world how truly blessed Witnesses have been by Jehovah.

    Imagine the good they could have done if someone had not wasted their time in unproductive door-to-door witnessing, but had become an entrepreneur like Bill Gates. Gates and his wife Melinda run a foundation that focuses on education and health issues. He and his foundation are like the mythical Midas whose gold replenished itself nearly as fast as he could spend it. The Watchtower cooked their "gold laying goose" a long time ago when they began discouraging education for their children.

    Instead the Watchtower can only point to people like rock star Prince and sports stars Venus and Serena Williams - more often embarrassments than pillars of their community. Many of their more famous and wealthy members only became famous and wealthy because they WERE NOT WITNESSES. Some could have become even more famous and wealthy, but left their successful field to become door knockers (Teresa Graves).

    The Witness religion really is designed to turn potentially successful intelligent people into pauper drones. There are a few rare exceptions, but only because they had to leave the cult to finally achieve success; read http://watchtowerwatch.com/blog/its-going-to-be-ok

    I once heard a lecture on the "real cost of war." Think of the thousands of American, British, Australian and Canadian men who died within minutes of hitting the beaches at Normandy, Iwo Jima, the Phillipines. Think of the thousands of Americans who died in Viet Nam. A fairly high percentage had at least high school educations and a large group (officers, pilots, engineers) had college educations. The speaker pointed out that in any 1000 males from those eras who either did not go to war or survived the war, approximately 180 excelled in some way later in life in education, science, medicine, or space technology. By extrapolation he theorized that had those millions not been killed in war we would have found the cures for cancer, ALS, MS, and Alzheimer's - probably by the late 1970s. Life spans may have increased by 10-15% beyond what they are today, with thousands of HEALTHY elders living to see 100 years or more. He went even further and pointed out that the wasteful wars of the 18th and 19th centuries (Napoleon, Civil War, colonization of Africa and Asia) wreaked havoc on the educated populations of Europe and North America. In spite of that, look how far we have progressed with just the survivors.

    I feel the same about the Witnesses. They can believe what they want - even the Old Testament fairy tales - but allow them to educate themselves and prosper - and the Watchtower would greatly prosper with them. The Mormons are an excellent example of a cult that has prospered in spite of their ridiculous beliefs.

    But no, the leaders want the R&F to basically live meaningless and non-expansive lives. Really - how many JWs aspire to be chosen for the Governing Body or traveling overseers some day? Is that the only goal available to them? What about the creative abilities of female JWs? Is all of that to be wasted as well?

    JV

  • Refriedtruth
    Refriedtruth

    Ditto with myself-squandered my youth and my early aduthood for a CULT

    Sex life with a potential happy mate,money education,health.....even my teeth never straightened and properly cared for cause the big A was coming and Jehovah gonna give me new choppers.

    What a CULT!

  • Rattigan350
    Rattigan350

    Billy said " JW teachings have poisoned her to accepting the idea that Jesus is the only mediator between God and humans, thinking that she must obey this corporation because they claim to be channelling god. She feels that it's important to blindly accept whatever is in the lastest WT ragazine because it's coming from god... but there is a crack in that dam."

    My wife is like that but I don't think it has to do with mediatorship or 144,000. Many like her are like the Nazi's; obedient by just following orders,without thinking or questiong. The obedience is what is valued.

    And Juan said;"The Watchtower's prejudice against education, self-expression, and personal growth may be a major contributor to the organization's own lack of growth and internal problems. Imagine if the Watchtower could point to the thousands of members who became engineers, educators, journalists, scientists, and sports stars who are/were Jehovah's Witnesses. They could show the world how truly blessed Witnesses have been by Jehovah. "

    Bingo. Couldn't have said it better myself. I just don't see how I can sell or advocate this religion that has nothing to offer but stunted growth.

    While watching the Oscars I thought of how people can be that some day, but not us. Prince was a presenter for the Grammys, but that is an oddity. He was famous before he became a Witness.

    Things are even so bad that I know of a brother that played piano at the assembly hall, but then the DO wanted all music to be recorded from the Society.

    "But no, the leaders want the R&F to basically live meaningless and non-expansive live"

    In the slave days, the owners denied the slaves an education because if they had no other options in life, they had to stay where they were as slaves and be happy with that. If they had aspirations and ambition to escape they would do so, hurting the owners. So the owners keep the slaves dumb to keep them slaves. Tobacco pickers, invitation distributors. Neither takes skills. Those with skills would would choose to do neither.

    Who is our modern day Lincoln?

  • Dismissing servant
    Dismissing servant

    This is the differnnce between religions and cults. Religions can teach the most outright stupid things.....but cults deprive people their freedom. A cult is not a cult mainly for it's theology.

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