Did the apostles REQUIRE absolute unity among the 1st century congregation?

by I_love_Jeff 12 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • I_love_Jeff
    I_love_Jeff

    I posted this question on YA! for the jehovah's Witnesses about an hour ago and only received one answer. How would you (Ex-Jehovah's Witnesses) respond to this question. Inquiring minds......Thanks

    Is there any evidence that those who advanced certain erroneous beliefs in the first century REQUIRED anyone else to accept their views?

    One example of this involves a misinterpretation on Peter's part about what Jesus said concerning the apostle John (John 21:20-23). Another example is where the disciples thought Jesus' appearance after his death meant that he would be 'restoring the kingdom to Israel' at that time (Acts 1:6-7). Did the followers of Christ INSIST that others accept the erroneous views on these subjects because of their authority or position?

    Here is a quote found in the Watchtower Magazine regarding "personal opinions or harbor private ideas when it comes to Bible understanding" and the "slave's" position.

    Watchtower Magazine 8/1/2001 page 14 par. 8:

    First, since "oneness" is to be observed, a mature Christian must be in unity and full harmony with fellow believers as far as faith and knowledge are concerned. He does not advocate or insist on personal opinions or harbor private ideas when it comes to Bible understanding. Rather, he has complete confidence in the truth as it is revealed by Jehovah God through his Son, Jesus Christ, and "the faithful and discreet slave."

    According to the above quote, the Watchtower seems to be strongly implying that there is a mandatory requirement to accept their views (regardless of certain past/present erroneous beliefs).

    With that said, is there a difference between biblical accounts such as these (John 21:20-23, Acts 1:6-7 for example) used by Jehovah's Witnesses and the interpretational errors sometimes made in Watchtower publications? In other words, did the apostles REQUIRE (as you imply in your own teachings ((see Watchtower quote above)) submission from others regardless of their mistakes.

    Does the "slave class" truly make it a requirement (even after making countless errors) for them to refrain from "personal opinions or harbor private ideas when it comes to Bible understanding" and accept the rules of the "slave class" w/out questioning or otherwise suffer the consequences (shunning, warnings, disfellowshipping ect.). Did the apostles do the same thing?

  • Ding
    Ding

    No. See Romans 14.

  • Pickler
    Pickler

    Hey I love Jeff,

    I am sure early Christianity was a vibrant community, full of discussion & ideas. Look at Judaism today, plenty of dissent & debate, but, I've never heard of anyone being kicked out of being Jewish!

    JW communities however are based on fear. If I don't agree with everything, do what im meant to do, I'll be kicked out.

    Look at the way they use the term apostate.....it is used to brand people who have disagreed as "hating" Jehovah. Really? I've never heard anyone say they hate god. I have heard people say they disagree with the WTBTS though.

    You have in effect been baptised to the WTBTS, not God...sad isn't it?

  • mP
    mP

    Pickler:

    I am sure early Christianity was a vibrant community, full of discussion & ideas. Look at Judaism today, plenty of dissent & debate, but, I've never heard of anyone being kicked out of being Jewish!

    mP:
    But can you prove any of this ? Where does it say even a fraction of what you just wrote down ?

  • Pterist
    Pterist

    It was a unity of love because they had so much differences. The fruits of the spirit enabled them to be more tolerant. The WBTS and cults in general confuse unity with UNIFORMITY !

  • I_love_Jeff
    I_love_Jeff

    Nice answer Pterist!!

    "The WBTS and cults in general confuse unity with UNIFORMITY !"

    BRILLIANT!!

  • FingersCrossed
    FingersCrossed

    Barnabas and Paul had some disagreements and they went their own way but they were still united in Christ

  • FingersCrossed
    FingersCrossed

    Churches all over the whole had many differences, and need no organisation to organize them. Yet they are following and serving the same Jesus Christ! That's true unity, not a forced one.

  • Jeffro
    Jeffro
    Is there any evidence that those who advanced certain erroneous beliefs in the first century REQUIRED anyone else to accept their views?

    No, I'm sure they were all required to accept the same erroneous beliefs. Just like JWs today.

  • mP
    mP

    Churches all over the whole had many differences, and need no organisation to organize them. Yet they are following and serving the same Jesus Christ! That's true unity, not a forced one.

    mP: What utter garbage, how can you call them united when one half is protesting ( thats what protestanism means) at what the other half says and does. I wouldnt call that unity.

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