Should The Governing Body Seek Psychiatric Help For Narcissistic Personality Disorder?

by frankiespeakin 11 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • frankiespeakin
    frankiespeakin

    http://psychcentral.com/disorders/sx36t.htm

    Narcissistic patients try to sustain an image of perfection and personal invincibility for themselves and attempt to project that impression to others as well. Physical illness may shatter this illusion, and a patient may lose the feeling of safety inherent in a cohesive sense of self. This loss precipitates a panicky sensation that "my world is falling to pieces," and the patient feels a sense of personal fragmentation.

    The histrionic patient's idealization of the physician stands in contrast to the narcissistic patient's frequent contemptuous disregard for the physician, who is denigrated in a defensive effort to maintain a sense of superiority and mastery over illness. Only the most senior physician in a prestigious institution is deemed worthy of respect as the frightened patient seeks an external reflection of his or her own fragile grandeur in the doctor. More junior members of the health care team may be the targets of derision as the patient seeks to establish hierarchical dominance in order to counter the shame and fear triggered by illness.

    Health care professionals must convey a feeling of respect and acknowledge the patient's sense of self-importance so that the patient can reestablish a coherent sense of self, but they must at the same time avoid reinforcing either pathologic grandiosity (which may contribute to denial of illness) or weakness (which frightens the patient). An initial approach of support followed by step-by-step confrontation of the patient's vulnerabilities may enable the patient to deal with the implications of illness with feelings of greater subjective strength. The increased self-confidence may reduce the patient's need to attack the health care team in a misguided effort at psychologic self-preservation and eases the pressure to provide perfect care, since the patient's antagonistic feeling of entitlement (defined by DSM-III as an "expectation of special favors without assuming reciprocal responsibilities") is reduced.

    Many of the treatment principles and approaches discussed for this disorder apply as well to Borderline Personality Disorder.

    The individual with narcissistic and related personality disorders is likely to present with Axis I symptoms and disorders at various times in his or her life. These should be treated as described elsewhere. Caution should be observed, however, not to overdiagnose psychotic decompensation as Schizophrenia unless all DSM-III criteria are apparent. The same caveat applies to the pharmacologic treatment of depressive symptoms in the absence of clinical signs of Major Affective Disorder. When treating presenting symptoms and Axis I disorders in patients with Narcissistic Personality Disorder and other similar conditions, attention should be paid to the consequences of removing symptoms in a patient whose underlying character is primitive and or fragile.

    Some clinicians, suggest that the grandiosity and tendency to idealize and devalue should be interpreted as defensive maneuvers when aspects of early conflictual relationships are played out in adult life. Other clinicians, posit that the emergence of the patient's grandiosity and tendency to idealize the therapist should initially be viewed supportively. To help the individual develop stronger self-esteem regulation, the therapist then gradually points out the realistic limitations of patient and therapist alike while also offering an empathic ambience to cushion patients in their efforts to accept and integrate these experiences. Unfortunately, much research will be required to validate the description and course of narcissistic personality disorder before further research can answer which techniques bring about a better response to treatment.

    Individual Psychotherapy

    Most psychiatrists will, as a practical matter, treat most of their severely narcissistic patients for symptoms related to crises and relatively external Axis I diagnoses, rather than in an effort to address the personality disorder itself. The therapist must be aware of the importance of narcissism to the contiguity of the patient's psyche, refrain from confronting the need for self-aggrandizement, and help the patient use his or her narcissistic characteristics to reconstitute an intact self-image. Positive transference and therapeutic alliance should not be relied upon, since the patient may not be able to acknowledge the real humanness of the therapist but may have to see him/her as either superhuman or devalued.

    Those patients who do not terminate treatment after symptom relief has been obtained may wish help for some of the problems related to their personality disorder, such as interpersonal difficulties or depression. The therapist must have a good understanding of the principles of the narcissistic personality style, both for interpretation to the patient and for use in combating countertransference. Goals for ordinary psychotherapy should not be too great, since the source of these patients' difficulties lies deep in pathological development.

    Group Therapy

    The goals are to help the patient develop a healthy individuality (rather than a resilient narcissism) so that he or she can acknowledge others as separate persons, and to decrease the need for self-defeating coping mechanisms. The first step toward developing a working alliance is empathy with the surprise and hurt that the patient experiences as a result of confrontations within the group. The external structuring group therapy provides can control destructive behavior in spite of ego weakness. In groups, the therapist is less authoritative (and less threatening to the patient's grandiosity); intensity of emotional experience is lessened; and regression is more controlled, creating a better setting for confrontation and clarification.

    Outpatient analytic-expressive group therapy requires a concomitant individual relationship for most patients, which should be somewhat supportive. The need for this additional support, the likelihood of the patient's leaving the group at the first sign of psychic insult, and proneness to disorganized thinking are all found more often in the Borderline patient. The patient with a Narcissistic Personality Disorder does not appear so vulnerable to separation anxieties as the Borderline patient, but is instead involved in issues centered around maintaining a sense of self-worth

  • humbled
    humbled

    Dear Frankie,

    The GB might be amenable to change if they all got sick together?

    Then I will pray that they each and everyone get a terrible case of piles.

    Maeve

  • Chaserious
    Chaserious

    I get this, but haven't there been about 5 other threads on this exact topic in the past month or so?

  • Finkelstein
    Finkelstein

    Yes they should, it might help them out in their delusion of themselves which this particualr religious organization created .

    Chance of that happening....... NIL

    This again could be said for just about every other recognized religious leaders though.

    One shouldn't expect people who are being constantly infused with the thought that they are divinely inspired or chosen

    selectively by god, to NOT be subsequently off balanced in their own self personal perception of themselves.

    What usually comes out from these people is usually self involving maleficence to support this suggested purposed identity which

    they claim they hold.

    Only problem is that there many other religious leaders and their organizations claiming the exact same thing.

  • Pterist
    Pterist

    As brother Ray Franz said, they are captives of a concept. They sit in their Ivory tower like the church in revelation 'I sit as queen; I am not a widow,

    and I will never mourn.' arrogant, self-indulgent pride. She lavishes luxuries upon herself and takes pride in the fact that she is a queen; she does not need help from anyone.

    Shalom

  • Mum
    Mum

    When I had a co-worker with NPD, I went for therapy. The therapist pointed out that lots of CEO's have this disorder. That is one of the difficulties with bringing them down to the level of everyone else: they tend to rise to the top.

    I agree that you seem obsessed with this topic.

  • frankiespeakin
    frankiespeakin

    Well I personally think the Governing Body will never be cured unless they give up worshipping a Narcissistic God because as long as they make excusses for his erratic behavior they will not be cured.

  • frankiespeakin
    frankiespeakin

    I think the only way the Governing Body will be cured of NPD is to first see it in their idol Jehovah if they are able to do this and stop making up excusses for his bad behavior they are on their way to being cured from this affliction.

    What are the chances that the Governing Body can see this Jehovah deity's desire to be worshipped or else face execution a form narcissistic personality disorder? It could happen, by some sort of miracle or circumstances. It is not entirely impossible.

  • punkofnice
    punkofnice

    No!

    Just send them to the electric chair for crimes against humanity.

    They're not sick, those paedophile lovers know exactly what they're doing.

  • frankiespeakin
    frankiespeakin

    http://psychcentral.com/disorders/sx36t.htm

    Most psychiatrists will, as a practical matter, treat most of their severely narcissistic patients for symptoms related to crises and relatively external Axis I diagnoses, rather than in an effort to address the personality disorder itself. The therapist must be aware of the importance of narcissism to the contiguity of the patient's psyche, refrain from confronting the need for self-aggrandizement, and help the patient use his or her narcissistic characteristics to reconstitute an intact self-image. Positive transference and therapeutic alliance should not be relied upon, since the patient may not be able to acknowledge the real humanness of the therapist but may have to see him/her as either superhuman or devalued.

    So a psychiatrist will not address the patients narcissism and avoid any confrontation over the patients need for self aggranizement. and use their narcissistic quaulities to reconstitute a better self image.

    Those patients who do not terminate treatment after symptom relief has been obtained may wish help for some of the problems related to their personality disorder, such as interpersonal difficulties or depression. The therapist must have a good understanding of the principles of the narcissistic personality style, both for interpretation to the patient and for use in combating countertransference. Goals for ordinary psychotherapy should not be too great, since the source of these patients' difficulties lies deep in pathological development.

    So treatment might continue as the patient wants to have some inner psyche conflicts resolved, but the doctor is suppose to choose small goals or baby steps because too deep into pathological development could have bad effect on patient.

    Group therapy
    The goals are to help the patient develop a healthy individuality (rather than a resilient narcissism) so that he or she can acknowledge others as separate persons, and to decrease the need for self-defeating coping mechanisms. The first step toward developing a working alliance is empathy with the surprise and hurt that the patient experiences as a result of confrontations within the group. The external structuring group therapy provides can control destructive behavior in spite of ego weakness. In groups, the therapist is less authoritative (and less threatening to the patient's grandiosity); intensity of emotional experience is lessened; and regression is more controlled, creating a better setting for confrontation and clarification.

    Another word use the peer pressure of the group help get some thoughts past his narcissistic defenses allowing him to confront reality a little better.

    Outpatient analytic-expressive group therapy requires a concomitant individual relationship for most patients, which should be somewhat supportive. The need for this additional support, the likelihood of the patient's leaving the group at the first sign of psychic insult, and proneness to disorganized thinking are all found more often in the Borderline patient. The patient with a Narcissistic Personality Disorder does not appear so vulnerable to separation anxieties as the Borderline patient, but is instead involved in issues centered around maintaining a sense of self-worth

    Basically a narcissist won't quit the group over some percieved insult like some borderline cases might, but will leave if his self worth is called into question. So as long as they can be respected and no chipping away at self worth they may stay in therapy with the group.

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