Unemployment is down, but why did America set a record 47.8 million on food stamps?

by moshe 70 Replies latest social current

  • soontobe
    soontobe
    With that board stroke you and Moshe are talking about my husband and I. You never say some. You dont even give a percentage. All recipients are on the undeserved take so you would have us believe. I still live this. It's still close. My husband recently had a doctor who would not look over my husand's medical records, told my husband it was all in his head and had my husband kicked out of the medical group and put my husand's SSDI application in danger of denial again. Thank goodness we were able to reverse it and got my husband another doctor.
    I take this all very personal because I lived it and am still living it. You are talking about me and my husband! There are folks on this very board who are on SSDI and even welfare (or had been) and you are talking about them also. And you painfully don't know what you're talking about cuz you haven't lived it.

    Like Moshe said:

    The con artists ruin it for the folks who do deserve disability benefits. Nothing new about that.

    No has accused you of anything, so no need to get so defensive. No one is talking about legitimate recipients who truly cannot work.

    If you can't talk about these things without getting emotional and making it personal, then maybe you should do what you said in your previous post. No one is talking about you but you.

  • moshe
    moshe
    No one is talking about you but you.

    We know a judge that approves over 90% of the claims is not doing his job.

    Some people love to talk about themselves- I don't know why she opens the door (this is the umpteenth time she has told us her family woes about disabled hubby)-seeing how it's a sensitive issue. Maybe a fulltime job outside of the home would keep her off the forum and then her feelings won't get hurt. by the way, do caregivers of disability recipients with minor children get a SS check, too?

  • BizzyBee
    BizzyBee
    Maybe a fulltime job outside of the home would keep her off the forum and then her feelings won't get hurt.

    Shame on you, moshe. I am disappointed at your crass insensitivity.

  • mrsjones5
    mrsjones5

    Moshe, you have no idea what my life is like. I've only given you a glimmer. You don't deserve any more.

  • Talk22
    Talk22

    People Not In Labor Force Soar By 663,000 To 90 Million, Labor Force Participation Rate At 1979 Levels

    Tyler Durden's picture Submitted by Tyler Durden on 04/05/2013 08:58 -0400



    Things just keep getting worse for the American worker, and by implication US economy, where as we have shown many times before, it pays just as well to sit back and collect disability and various welfare and entitlement checks, than to work .The best manifestation of this: the number of people not in the labor force which in March soared by a massive 663,000 to a record 90 million Americans who are no longer even looking for work. This was the biggest monthly increase in people dropping out of the labor force since January 2012, when the BLS did its census recast of the labor numbers. And even worse, the labor force participation rate plunged from an already abysmal 63.5% to 63.3% - the lowest since 1979! But at least it helped with the now painfully grotesque propaganda that the US unemployment rate is "improving."

    People not in labor force:

    Labor participation rate:

  • designs
    designs

    MrsJones, BB- Some have become so obdurate no examples will persuade them, just let it be the counter example of how you want to live.

  • moshe
    moshe

    Mrs Jones can't have it too bad in her home- she has the time to practically live on this forum, which takes time away from taking care of her family= her first priority. I would prefer not to hear any whinning at all - but some folks just want attention- In the past people kept this stuff inside their home. - And now there is Facebook to feed that naccissistic need to convert a mundane life into something that feels important.

    Spending too much time here is counter productive, IMO. I know that as well as anyone-

    Insensitive? Ok, here is some help- call 1-800-CRY-BABY. I subscribe to the belief that it is possible to make a better life for yourself, through something called hard work and taking personal responsibilty for your situation. Look at President FDR, handicapped, but never defeated by his physical impairments! - Nothing is impossible for people who have will power. Everything is impossible for people who lack mental power.

    Advice from successful people has value, the rest is suspect. .

    This forum is a magnet for people who made a wrong turn in life and are still kicking the can down the road, people who avoid making decisive decisions, those who sympathize with weak folks who avoided taking personal responsibilty for their failures and they love to coddle folks who suffer adverse life results due to poor character choices.

    Vociferous criticism from that crowd has as much value as the spit from a loud trumpet.

  • jgnat
    jgnat

    I am a successful person. I've also been on welfare. This safety net allowed me to get away from an abusive husband and start again on my own. My son, who has a chronic mental illness, is dependent on a raft of social services. Without these outpatient resources, he would have to be incarcerated for life. Which would be more expensive. Without supports, he would be a danger to society or himself. He works, by the way, as he is able. He pumps your gas and delivers your flyers.

    moshe, I charge you guilty of the following fallacies: Composition, Division, Confirmation Bias, Biased Generalizing, Sweeping Generalizing, and Guilt by Association.

  • jgnat
    jgnat

    90% approval rate sounds about right. 10% are the ne'er-do-wells that you want to catch.

  • soontobe
    soontobe

    Dismal job statistics today, and government dependence continues to rise.

    Of course, the equities markets are doing really well, since the Fed is inflating them. That benefits the well off who can own them. The poor don't own stocks and can't find a job. The government's economic policies are a failure that increase income inequality.

    On the topic at hand:

    Unemployment is down, but why did America set a record 47.8 million on food stamps?

    http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Columns/2013/04/04/A-Food-Stamp-Recovery-Is-the-New-Normal.aspx#page1

    A Food-Stamp Recovery Is the New Normal

    Almost four years ago, in June 2009, the US entered into a technical recovery from the Great Recession touched off by the collapse of a decade-long housing bubble . The bubble collapse nearly wiped out the financial sector, thanks to extensive investment in mortgage-backed securities that ended up being nearly worthless as foreclosures swept across the nation like a wildfire.

    American investors lost trillions in net worth as the stock markets plunged, and the federal government shoveled out trillions more in bailouts, safety-net subsidies, and stimulus programs that promised a soft landing and then a steady recovery based on a more-sound economic foundation.

    The Obama administration has insisted that the recovery has been both steady and sound, almost ever since it began. Every month’s jobs reports is accompanied by cheering that the numbers remain positive, even though the rate of increase hasn’t kept up with population growth, and despite the fact that the civilian workforce participation rate remains at three-decade-long lows.

    Consumer spending increases are heralded as corroboration of confidence in the recovery. Even the brief instance of contraction in the initial estimate of the 2012 fourth-quarter US economy, later adjusted to 0.4 percent annualized growth, was explained as an artifact of government spending cuts, a mere hiccup along the path of solid economic expansion.

    This week, the administration’s supporters celebrated another indicator of recovery and expansion. This week the Dow Jones Industrial Average hit a six-year high, going above the 14,500 mark and doubling the DJIA value at the nadir of the Great Recession. The Standard & Poor’s Index also hit a record high mark last week, and then closed above that earlier this week. That has some feeling as though we have closed out the books on the Great Recession, even to the point to where US News opined yesterday that another Korean War wouldn’t necessarily push the US back into a recession.

    Actually, I agree. We’d have to get out of the first one to go into another. And while the stock markets look as though the American economy has rebuilt itself to its pre-collapse strength, the measures on the ground paint a very different story.

    First, the stock market rally offers more smoke than fire, for reasons related to both the stimulus and the Fed. As former OMB Director David Stockman pointed out in Sunday’s New York Times, the soaring highs of the S&P 500 and DJIA show more of a bubble than actual growth. Three turns on the qualitative-easing roller coaster has devalued the dollar, with the third apparently an infinite policy, and that makes the two indices meaningless in this comparison.

    “Since the S.&P. 500 first reached its current level, in March 2000, the mad money printers at the Federal Reserve have expanded their balance sheet sixfold (to $3.2 trillion from $500 billion),” Stockman explained. “Yet during that stretch, economic output has grown by an average of 1.7 percent a year (the slowest since the Civil War); real business investment has crawled forward at only 0.8 percent per year; and the payroll job count has crept up at a negligible 0.1 percent annually.” That “flood of liquidity” has only pooled in one specific area of the American economy, Stockman argues – Wall Street. That makes both the S&P 500 and DJIA much less indicative of the health of the overall economy, and points to “yet another unsustainable bubble.”

    That isn’t the only disconnect that Stockman sees. A recovering economy should expand the workforce and reduce reliance on safety-net programs. Instead, we continue to see the opposite. Besides the aforementioned stagnation at the 32-year low in civilian workforce participation, an enormous expansion of aid has now doubled food-stamp and disability rolls in twelve years to 59 million people, nearly one in every five Americans, Stockman points out. Food stamp rolls alone have increased 70 percent since the end of 2008, the Wall Street Journal reported separately last week. It now stands at a record high of 47.8 million Americans.

    The WSJ blames easing of access rules for part of that expansion, but that doesn’t entirely explain the increase. Neither does fraud, although that’s growing faster than the food-stamp rolls themselves. The main driver for expansion of food stamp recipients is the reason for the program’s existence in the first place – poverty.

    Over 50 million people now live in poverty, according to a recent release by the US Census Bureau. At the end of 2010, after the passage of the $800 billion stimulus bill and eighteen months of technical recovery, that number was 46 million according to Census Bureau statistics. At the end of 2008, at the depth of the Great Recession and as President Obama first took office, that number was below 40 million.

    We have added 10 million people into poverty since Obama took office, most of whom fell into poverty after the stimulus and the technical recovery began. In comparison, we have only added 123,000 jobs over the same period, according to the BLS Current Population Survey, which showed a seasonally-adjusted employment level in December 2008 of 143.369 million, compared to 143.392 million in February. (The BLS’ Current Employment Survey data looks almost as bad, with a gain of just 621,000 jobs in the same period.) The civilian participation rate in the workforce has dropped from 65.8 percent to 63.5 percent during that time, equaling August 2012 for the worst since September 1981.

    The Obama administration agrees. "While the perception may be different,” Department of Agriculture Undersecretary Kevin Concannon told the WSJ, “the actual raw numbers, almost 50 million people [under the federal poverty level], is certainly one of the principal reasons why we see the enrollment increases in the SNAP program.”

    Perception is the key term in that response. This administration has been selling the perception of a recovery – by dumbing down expectations for jobs growth, by using gimmicky stimulus spending to temporarily improve stagnation numbers, and by leaving the Fed with no other choice than to fuel a currency bubble that makes Wall Street look stronger than it is at the expense of the actual economy. The real fundamentals of the last five years don’t show a recovery at all, but a slow slide into poverty and decline. Until we get serious about fiscally responsible regulatory, monetary, and spending policies, we won’t ever break out of this cycle.

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