Under the New Light, Where is the Continuity?

by Ding 24 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  prologos

  sd-7 where is the word organisation in Jesus' teachings, the red in some bibles ?. May be that is the flaw no.1, if its not an organisation it is irrelevant? Organisation ueber alles?

  organised to place literature containing ideas that now have been shown and admitted to contain error, un-truth, whereas so-called apostates posted correct teachings ahead of time.

  just because there is churning it will not matter at the end. Better serenity with truth (reality) than froth, hot air deflating at the end (s) 1914, 1919, 1925, 1975 overlapping n--.
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  sd-7

  The really odd thing is there wasn't a Governing Body until 1975!!!! But the choosing appointment of the FDS happened in 1919? Try pointing that out to your favorite JW.

  They'll probably point you to the July 15, 2013 WT, p. 22, par. 10: "In recent decades, that slave has been closely identified with the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses." There's an admission in there, that the 'slave' was not always identified with the Governing Body, only "in recent decades". Which means it was first Rutherford, then Knorr, then Franz, then the Governing Body. There always was a board of directors that filled the GB role, but the President had the final authority, until the Governing Body wrested that control from Franz.

  But it's not really going to be relevant to a JW, since 'the truth' was still being taught and preached all over the earth because of this organization. Where's your organization, and why aren't you knocking on doors? See, this is the problem with apostates, they keep picking at these little things, but they produce no beneficial fruit at all. And that'll be the end of that discussion.

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  sd-7

  sd-7 where is the word organisation in Jesus' teachings, the red in some bibles ?. May be that is the flaw no.1, if its not an organisation it is irrelevant?

  The word 'organization' is not in Jesus' teachings. He did tell his followers that he'd be there if two or more were gathered together in his name, and that they should go make disciples and baptize them. Clearly there was some intention of their becoming brothers and sisters (ie. a group, congregation, or brotherhood, even), but no hierarchy such as in an organization was stated by Jesus--if anything, quite the opposite, since that was how the rulers of the nations did things. The greatest would be those most willing to serve each other, not those most eager to be in charge.

  But that's the problem, of course, that the Society has been stuck on since Rutherford came up with this concept of organization. Everything in scripture has been presented as from an organizational perspective. Jesus' judgment seems in part, according to the Watchtower, based on what organization people belong to, along with their conduct, rather than being just their conduct regardless of which group they're in.

  But they do think that if you're not in an organized group, you can't accomplish anything relevant before God. So...there you have it...

  --sd-7
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  Ding

  SD-7,

  Right -- the "where else can we go?" defense.

  A large number of JWs will probably not wake up, but there are some who will.

  The more we can come up with ways to facilitate that process, the better...
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  Larsinger58

  OK, listen up! Here's your continuity....

  First, we all know the "apostasy" was prophesied to occur. Gradually the Christian churches got farther and farther away from true worship until around 736 AD when the pagain Easter Sunday ritual became standard throughout Catholicism. This is when anything in Christendom recognized as true worship or the "temple" ended. This apostasy would last for 3.5 times, or 1260 years ending in 1996 (thus beginning in 736 AD).

  So there would be no recognized "temple" or temple sect for 2300 evenings and mornings (Daniel 8:14). The 2300 evenings and mornings make up 1150 days and thus the first 1150 years into the apostasy period ending in 1996. After that, then a true temple sect would appear and be recognized and restore the "constant feature" which is a reference to the correct celebration of the annual Lord's Supper on passover. Thus there would be a true temple sect for the last 110 years ending in 1996. This new temple section would thus appear in 1886 and it was the Bible Students. 1886 was the year the first "Studies In the Scriptures" was published which volume series would become the core doctrinal basis for a new sect that would eventually be known as "Jehovah's witnesses."

  WHO IS THE FAITHFUL AND DISCREET SLAVE? Of course, as usual, it is Jesus Christ himself. That is, when Christ returns, he returns in the flesh. He is the one who proves faithful and not the WTS. That is, Christ is represented in the parable of the rich man and Lazarus as Lazarus who at first is cast out of the rich man's house, that is, God's house, the WTS overseen by the GB. But then things change and Lazarus becomes the favored one going to the bosom position of the Father, which is the position of the Christ (John 1:18). But the rich man in charge of feeding the flock is now in disfavor, represened by his being in torment. So the rich man is the GB and has proven to be unfaithful, but Lazarus, first unfaithful, now is the faithful one and so he becomes the true faithful and discreet slave who inherits all of God's belongings.

  In other words, I'M the faithful and discreet slave who has inherited all my Father's belongings, while the GB of JWs has been cast out and is now apostate.

  But it is confusing to people how the WTS can be the "true temple" and still be apostate. But the parable of the wheat and weeds explains this. It notes that the apostasy within the WTS occurred so early on, to try to clear out the weeds would perhaps cause some wheat to be lost. So the decision was to make the separation at the harvest time, that is, after Christ returns, which occurred in 1992. Then the separation would within the WTS would take place, a separation of the wheat and weeds, the sheep and goats, the wise virgins and the foolish virgins, all prophetic parables dealing with God's recognized "temple", which is the WTS.

  WAS THERE ALWAYS SOMEONW WORSHIPPING JESUS AND CHRIST CORRECTLY? Yes. But no "public" temple. Keep in mind that a small congregation from the 1st Century, including John and Paul never were to die but to live and "survive down to the Lord's day" (1 Thess 4:15-18). This is so that the 12 tribes of Israel could be reconstituted. The 12 tribes did not exist even in Jesus' time, but individuals were able to trace their lineage back to the 12 tribes. So invidiuals were selected who had good lineage records and were to survive and not die until modern times. They would marry into indigenous tribes and over a period of time the 12 tribes of Israel would re-exist out of which 12,000 from each tribe would be selected to make up the 144,000. This is only 1/10th of the whole, however, (Isa. 6:13), making up the holy root of the entire kingdom, and thus the gentile elect number 1,296,000 to make a combined total of 1,440,000.

  Well, a little longer than I planned, but that's the basics and there is indeed continuity in the Bible, though the WTS is apostate and in spiritual darkness now, so if what they come up with doesn't make sense, no big surprise.

  Jews and Jehovah's Witnesses are the "holy ones" in modern times, with JWs making up the tenple sect in its "right condition" from 1886-1996. The following video explains some of this even more. The attack of Gog of Magog was against the Jews and JWs during the Holocaust.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnTy8_EhE0Y