A Different Perspective

by RedhorseWoman 24 Replies latest jw friends

  • RedhorseWoman
    RedhorseWoman

    This tale was sent to me by someone on one of the e-mail lists I belong to. I found it quite thought provoking. Perhaps you'll enjoy it, also.

    "We Are the Other People"
    by Oberon Zell

    "Ding-dong!" goes the doorbell. Is it Avon calling? Or perhaps Ed McMahon
    with my three million dollars? No, it's Yahweh's Witlesses again, just
    wanting to have a nice little chat about the Bible...

    Boy, did they ever come to the wrong house! So we invite them in: "Enter
    freely and of your own will..." (Hey, it's Sunday morning, nothing much going
    on, why not have a little entertainment?) Diane and I amuse ourselves
    watching their expressions as they check out the living room: great horned
    owl on the back of my chair; ceremonial masks and medicine skulls of dragons
    and unicorns on the wall; crystals, wands, staffs, swords; lots of Goddess
    figures and several altars; boa constrictors draped in amorous embrace over
    the elkhorn; white doves sitting in the hanging planters; cats and weasels
    underfoot; iron dragon snorting steam atop the wood stove; posters and
    paintings of wizards and dinosaurs and witchy women, some proudly naked;
    sculptures of mythological beasties and lots more dinosaurs; warp six on the
    star-filled viewscreen of my computer; a five-foot model of the USS
    Enterprise and the skeleton of a plesiosaur hanging from the ceiling; very,
    very many books, most of them dealing with obviously weird subjects... To say
    nothing of the great horned owl perched on the back of my chair and the
    Unicorn grazing in the front yard. You know; early Addams Family decor.

    And then, of course, it being late in the morning, you can expect Morning
    Glory to come wandering out naked, looking for her wake-up cup of tea.
    Morning Glory naked is a truly impressive sight, and the Witlesses look as if
    she'd set titties on stun as they stand immobilized, hands clasped over their
    genitals. With the stage set and all the actors in place, the show is ready
    to begin.

    Their mission, of course, it to save our heathen souls by turning us on to
    "The Word of the Lord" - their Bible. I guess they figure some of us just
    haven't heard about it yet, and we're all eagerly awaiting their joyous
    tidings of personal salvation through giving our rational faculties to Jesus.
    Every time they come around, I look forward to trying out a new riposte.
    Sure, it may be cruel and sadistic of me, but hey, I didn't call them up and
    ask them to come over; they entered at their own risk!

    This time should be pretty good. After letting them run off their basic
    rap while lovely Morning Glory serves us all hot herb tea, I innocently
    remark: "But none of that applies to us. We have no need for salvation
    because we don't have original sin. We are the Other People."

    "Hunh? What?" they reply eloquently. It's clear they've never heard this
    one before.

    "Right," I say. "It's all in your Bible." And I proceed to tell them the
    story, using their own book for reference:

    Genesis 1:26 - The [Elohim] said, "Let us make humanity in our own image,
    in the likeness of ourselves, and let them be masters of the fish of the sea,
    the birds of heaven, the cattle, all the wild beasts and all the reptiles
    that crawl upon the earth."

    Elohim is a plural word, including male and female, and should properly be
    translated "Gods" or "Pantheon."

    27 The Gods created humanity in the image of themselves, In the image of
    the Gods they created them, Male and Female they created them.
    28 The Gods blessed them, saying to them, "Be fruitful, multiply, fill the
    earth and conquer it. Be masters of the fish of the sea, the birds of heaven
    and all living animals on the earth."

    Now clearly, here we are talking about the original creation of the human
    species: male and female. All the animals,plants, etc. have all been created
    in previous verses. This is before the Garden of Eden, and Yahweh is not
    mentioned as the creator of these people. The next chapter talks about how
    Yahweh, an individual member of the Pantheon, goes about assembling his own
    special little botanical and zoological Garden in Eden, and making his own
    little man to inhabit it:

    Gen 2:7 - Yahweh God fashioned a man of dust from the soil. Then he
    breathed into his nostrils a breath of life, and thus the man became a living
    being.
    8 Yahweh God planted a garden in Eden which is in the east, and there he
    put the man he had fashioned.
    9 Yahweh God caused to spring up from the soil every kind of tree,
    enticing to look at and good to eat, with the tree of life and the tree of
    the knowledge of good and evil in the middle of the garden.
    15 Yahweh God took the man and settled him in the garden of Eden to
    cultivate and take care of it.

    Now this next is crucial: note Yahweh's precise words:

    16 Then Yahweh God gave the man this admonition, "You may eat indeed of
    all the trees in the garden.
    17 Nevertheless of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you are not
    to eat, for on the day you eat of it you shall most surely die."

    Fateful words, those. We will refer back to this admonition later.

    Then Yahweh decides to make a woman to go with the man. Now, don't forget
    that the Pantheon had earlier created a whole population of people, "male and
    female," who are presumably doing just fine somewhere "outside the gates of
    Eden." But this setup in Eden is Yahweh's own little experiment, and will
    unfold to its own separate destiny.

    21 So Yahweh God made the man fall into a deep sleep. And while he slept,
    he took one of his ribs and enclosed it in flesh.
    22 Yahweh God built the rib he had taken from the man into a woman, and
    brought her to the man.

    Right. Man gives birth to woman. Sure he does. But that's the way the
    story is told here.

    25 Now both of them were naked, the man and his wife, but they felt no
    shame in front of each other.

    Well, of course not! Why should they? But take careful note of those
    words, as they also will prove to be significant . . .

    Now this next part is where it starts to get interesting. Enter the
    Serpent:

    Gen. 3:1 - The serpent was the most subtle of all the wild beasts that
    Yahweh God had made. It asked the woman, "Did God really say you were not to
    eat from any of the trees in the garden?"
    2 The woman answered the serpent, "We may eat the fruit of the trees in
    the garden.
    3 "But of the fruit of the tree in the middle of the garden God said, 'You
    must not eat it, nor touch it, under pain of death'"
    4 Then the serpent said to the woman, "No! You will not die!
    5 "God knows in fact that on the day you eat it your eyes will be opened
    and you will be like gods, knowing good and evil."

    What a remarkable statement! "Your eyes will be opened and you will be
    like gods, knowing good and evil." The Serpent directly contradicts Yahweh.

    Obviously, one of them has to be lying. Which one, do you suppose? And, if
    the serpent speaks true, wouldn't you wish to eat of the magic fruit?
    Wouldn't it be a good thing, to become "like gods, knowing good and evil"? Or
    is it preferable to remain in ignorance?

    6 The woman saw that the tree was good to eat and pleasing to the eye, and
    that it was desirable for the knowledge that it could give. So she took some
    of its fruit and ate it. She gave some also to her husband who was with her,
    and he ate it.
    7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened and they realized that they
    were naked. So they sewed fig leaves together to make themselves loincloths.

    The author makes an interesting assumption here: that if you realize you
    are naked you will automatically want to cover yourself. Further implications
    will unfold shortly...

    8 The man and his wife heard the sound of Yahweh God walking in the garden
    in the cool of the day, and they hid from Yahweh God among the trees of the
    garden.
    9 But Yahweh God called to the man. "Where are you?" he asked.
    10 "I heard the sound of you in the garden," he replied. "I was afraid
    because I was naked, so I hid."
    11 "Who told you that you were naked?" he asked. "Have you been eating of
    the tree I forbade you to eat?"

    And so the sign of the Fall becomes modesty. Take note of this. The
    descendants of Adam and Eve will be distinguished throughout history from
    virtually all other peoples by their obsessive modesty taboos, wherein they
    will feel ashamed of being naked. It follows that those who feel no shame in
    being naked are, by definition, not carriers of this spiritual disease of
    original sin!

    12 The man replied, "It was the woman you put with me; she gave me the
    fruit, and I ate it."

    Right. Blame the woman. What a turkey!

    13 Then Yahweh God asked the woman, "What is this you have done?" The
    woman replied, "The serpent tempted me and I ate."

    So of course she blames the serpent. But just what did the serpent do that
    was so evil? Why, he called Yahweh a liar! Was he wrong? Let's see...

    21 Yahweh God made clothes out of skins for the man and his wife, and they
    put them on.

    Out of skins? This means that Yahweh had to kill some innocent animals to
    pander to Adam and Eve's new obsession with modesty!

    And now we come to the crux of the Fall. Yahweh had said back there in
    chapter 2:17, regarding the fruit of the tree of knowledge, that "on the day
    you eat of it you shall most surely die." The Serpent, on the other hand, had
    contradicted Yahweh in chapter 3:4-5: "No! You will not die! God knows in
    fact that on the day you eat it your eyes will be opened and you will be like
    gods, knowing good and evil." So what actually happened? Who lied and who
    told the truth about this remarkable fruit? The answer is given in the next
    verse:

    22 Then Yahweh God said, "See, the man has become like one of us, with his
    knowledge of good and evil. He must not be allowed to stretch his hand out
    next and pick from the tree of life also, and eat some and live forever."

    Get that? Yahweh himself admits that he had lied! In fact, and in Yahweh's
    own words, the Serpent spoke the absolute truth! And moreover, Yahweh tells
    the rest of the Pantheon that he intends to evict Adam (and presumably Eve as
    well) to keep them from gaining immortality to go with their newly-acquired
    divine knowledge. To prevent them, in other words, from truly becoming gods!
    So who, in this story, comes off as a benefactor of humanity, and who comes
    off as a tyrant? THE SERPENT NEVER LIED!

    This story, to digress slightly, bears a remarkable resemblance to a
    contemporary tale from ancient Greece. In that version, the Serpent (later
    identified as Lucifer, the Light-Bearer) may be equated with the heroic titan
    Prometheus, who championed humanity against the tyranny of Zeus, who wished
    for people to be mere slaves of the gods. Prometheus, whose name means
    "forethought," gave people wisdom, intelligence, and fire stolen from
    Olympus. Moreover, he ordained the portions of animal sacrifice so that
    humans got the best parts (the meat and hides) while the portion that was
    burned to the gods was the bones and fat. In punishment for this defiance of
    his divine authority, Zeus condemned Prometheus to a terrible punishment for
    an immortal: to be chained to a mountain in the Caucasus, where Zeus'
    gryphon/eagle (actually a Lammergier) would devour his liver each day. It
    would grow back each night. Zeus promised to relent if Prometheus would
    reveal his great secret knowledge: Who would succeed Zeus as supreme god?
    Prometheus refused to tell, but history has revealed the answer...

    The interesting thing about all this is that the Greeks properly regarded
    Prometheus as a noble hero in his defiance of unjust tyranny. One may wonder
    why the Serpent is not so well regarded. On the contrary, snakes are loathed
    throughout Christiandom.

    23 So Yahweh God expelled him from the garden of Eden, to till the soil
    from which he had been taken.
    24 He banished the man, and in front of the garden of Eden he posted the
    cherubs, and the flame of a flashing sword, to guard the way to the tree of
    life.

    So that's it for the Fall. But the story of Adam and Eve doesn't end
    there.

    Gen 4:1 - The man had intercourse with his wife Eve, and she conceived and
    gave birth to Cain...
    2 She gave birth to a second child, Abel, the brother of Cain. Now Abel
    became a shepherd and kept flocks, while Cain tilled the soil.
    3 Time passed and Cain brought some of the produce of the soil as an
    offering for Yahweh,
    4 while Abel for his part brought the first-born of his flock and some of
    their fat as well. Yahweh looked with favor on Abel and his offering. But he
    did not look with favor on Cain and his offering, and Cain was very angry and
    downcast.

    Well, why shouldn't he be? Both brothers had brought forth their first
    fruits as offerings, but Yahveh rejected the vegetables and only accepted the
    blood sacrifice. This was to set a gruesome precedent:

    8 Cain said to his brother Abel, "Let us go out;" and while they were in
    the open country, Cain set on his brother Abel and killed him.

    Accursed and marked for fratricide,

    16 Cain left the presence of Yahweh and settled in the land of Nod, east
    of Eden.

    We can assume that the phrase "left the presence of Yahweh" implies that
    Yahweh is a local deity, and not omnipresent. Now Eden, according to Gen.
    2:14-15, was situated at the source of the Tigris and Euphrates rivers,
    apparently right where Lake Van is now, in Turkey. "East of Eden," therefore,
    would probably be along the shores of the Caspian Sea, right in the
    Indo-European heartland. Cain settled in there, among the people of Nod, and
    married one of the women of that country. Here, for the first time, is
    specifically mentioned the "other people" who are not of the lineage of Adam
    and Eve. I.e., the Pagans.

    So let's look at this story from another viewpoint: There we were, around
    six thousand years ago, living in our little farming communities around the
    Caspian Sea, in the land of Nod, when this dude with a terrible scar comes
    stumbling in out of the sunset. He tells us this bizarre story, about how his
    mother and father had been created by some god named Jahweh, and put in
    charge of a beautiful garden somewhere out west, and how they had gotten
    thrown out for disobedience after eating some of the landlord's forbidden
    magic fruit of enlightenment. He tells us of murdering his brother, as the
    god of his parents would only accept blood sacrifice, and of receiving that
    scar as a mark so that all would know him as a fratricide. The poor guy is
    really a mess psychologically, obsessed with guilt. He is also obsessively
    modest, insisting on wearing clothes even in the hottest summer, and he has a
    hard time with our penchant for skinny-dipping in the warm inland sea. He
    seems to believe that he is tainted by the "sin" of his parent's
    disobedience; that it is in his blood, somehow, and will continue to
    contaminate his children and his children's children. One of our healing
    women takes pity on the poor sucker, and marries him...

    17 Cain had intercourse with his wife, and she conceived and gave birth to
    Enoch. He became builder of a town, and he gave the town the name of his son
    Enoch.

    With both of their first sons not turning out very well, Adam and Eve
    decided to try again:

    25 Adam had intercourse with his wife, and she gave birth to a son whom
    she named Seth...
    26 A son was also born to Seth, and he named him Enosh. This man was the
    first to invoke the name of Yahweh.

    Now it doesn't mention here where Seth's wife came from. Another woman
    from Nod, possibly, or maybe someone from another neolithic community
    downstream in the Tigris-Euphrates valley. But her folks also, cannot be of
    the lineage of Adam and Eve, and must also be counted among "the other
    people."

    But whatever happened to Adam? After all, way back there in chapter 2:17,
    warning Adam about the magic fruit of knowlege, Jahweh had told him that "on
    the day you eat of it you shall most surely die." So, when did Adam die?

    Gen. 5:4 - Adam lived for eight hundred years after the birth of Seth and
    he became the father of sons and daughters.
    5 In all, Adam lived for nine hundred and thirty years; then he died.

    Hey, that's pretty good! Nine hundred and some odd years isn't bad for a
    man who's been told he's gonna die the next day!

    Well, the story goes on, and maybe next time the Witlesses come to visit
    I'll tell more of it. But suffice it to say that those of us who are not of
    Semitic descent (i.e., not of the lineage of Adam and Eve) cannot share in
    the Original Sin that comes with that lineage. Being that the Bible is the
    story of that lineage, of Adam and Eve's descendants and their special
    relationship with their particular god, Yahweh, it follows that this is not
    the story of the rest of us. We may may have been Cain's wife's people, or
    Seth's wife's people, or some other people over the hill and far away, but
    whichever people the rest of us are, as far as the Bible is concerned, we are
    the Other People, and so we are continually referred to throughout. Later
    books of the Bible are filled with admonitions to the followers of Jahweh to
    "learn not the ways of the Pagans..." (Jer 10:2) with detailed descriptions
    of exactly what it is we do, such as erect standing stones and sacred poles,
    worship in sacred groves and practice divination and magic. And worship the
    sun, moon, stars and the "Queen of Heaven." "You must not behave as they do
    in Egypt where once you lived; you must not behave as they do in Canaan where
    I am taking you. You must not follow their laws." (Lev 18:3) For Yahweh, as
    he so clearly emphasises, is not the god of the Pagans. We have our own
    lineage and our own heritage, and our tale is not told in the Bible.

    We were not "made" like clay figurines by a male deity out of "dust from
    the soil." We were born of our Mother the Earth, and have evolved over aeons
    in Her nurturing embrace. All of us, in our many and diverse tribes, have
    creation myths and legends of our origins and history; some of these tales
    may even be actually true. Like the descendants of Adam and Eve, many of us
    also have stories of great floods, earthquakes, volcanic eruptions and other
    cataclysms that wiped out whole communities of our people, wherein "I alone
    survived to tell the tale." Nearly all of our ancestral tribes (and
    especially those of us who today are reclaiming our own Pagan heritage) lack
    that peculiar obsessive body modesty that seems to be a hallmark of the
    original sin alluded to in the story of the Fall. We can be naked and
    unashamed! Why, our Goddess even tells us, "as a sign that you are truly
    free, you shall be naked in your rites." Not being born into sin, we have no
    need of salvation, and no need of a Messiah to redeem our sinful souls.
    Neither heaven nor hell is our destination in the afterlife; we have our own
    various arrangements with our own various deities. The Bible is not our
    story; we have our own stories to tell, and they are many and diverse. In a
    long life, you may get to hear many of them...

    May you live long and prosper!

  • nelly136
    nelly136

    that was cool, if you like that sort of thing try this,

    http://www.hobrad.com/anda.htm#ADAM

    and under G for gender :-)
    nelly

  • Frenchy
    Frenchy

    Wow! I had misunderstood the whole Genesis thing! What an eye opener!

    -Seen it all, done it all, can't remember most of it-

  • Frenchy
    Frenchy

    As an afterthought call MDS, I'm sure he has an explanation for this! On the other hand he's not very good at answering questions, only at posing them.

    -Seen it all, done it all, can't remember most of it-

  • amicus
    amicus

    I'd like to hear a little bit more about Morning Glory.

  • Seven
    Seven

    Rhw, Thank you-that was great.

    Seven

    In time when my life wanes*Returning my body to Star Dust*Held in the body of the Great Goddess*I will again be the Energy of Life-from the Prayer of Oneness

  • TR
    TR

    Interesting.

    This tale has much in common with Zecharia Sitchin's theories of the beginnings of humans on earth.

    TR

  • eyes_opened
    eyes_opened

    RHW,

    Thanks so much for posting that! Boy did that shake the cobwebs outta my head. I've been scouring Genesis all night here. LOL. That really raised many, many things I had never even thought of.

    And seven, I love that Quote! Where can I find that whole "prayer of oneness"? Would love to read the whole thing

    Thanks!

    eyes

    "One Persons Heresy Is Anothers Truth"

  • thinkers wife
    thinkers wife

    RHW,
    Leave it up to you to find something different! My husband will probably like this one. He has always said the Bible leaves room for other people having been on the earth.
    Personally, I think Glory and I would get along very well.
    TW

  • trevor
    trevor

    Very good Redhorse woman,

    I think this really confirms that many who read the Bible see what they have been conditioned to see and not what it is really saying. Truth has to add up an withstand examination or it is not truth. The bible portrays Jehovah as a Jealous, Vengful, bloodthirsty, powerhungry and devious tyrant.

    The Bible writers have either lied about him, invented him in their own image, or if they have got it right, we can only hope that someone else is responsible for the existence of this universe.

    trevor

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