Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 04-28-2013 WT Study (TAKING GLORY)

(Sorry, I have been jammed at work and fall asleep as soon as I sit down. I have been doing the comments for approximately 8 years. Physically I have been struggling. Good news today from the doctor. I am on the upswing. Remember even ex-jws miss the meetings.)

So why does the WTS choose an OT scripture on glory rather than from the NT? Is the word applied the same by the WTS to anointed and non-anointed?

Does God give the same glory to men and women? If not, how can women have the “heavenly hope”?

Does God give more glory to some than other as in “double honor” to elders and the WTS calling the elders “glorious ones”?

START OF ARTICLE

1, 2. (a) What is the significance of the original-language

words for “glory”? (b)What questions will we consider in this

article?

WHEN you hear the word “glory,” what comes to

your mind? The radiant splendor of creation? (Ps.

19:1) The praise and glory given to humans having

exceptional wealth, wisdom, or accomplishments?

In the Scriptures, the original-language words for

“glory” convey the sense of heaviness. In ancient

times—when money was made of precious metals—

the heavier the coin, the greater its value. Words

used to express the idea of weightiness came to be

understood figuratively to mean that which is treasured,

magnificent, or impressive.

COMMENTS

So does 5 pounds of silver have more value than 2 pounds of gold?

Why no reference to a Bible dictionary as to what these words are in Hebrew and Greek and identify the source and credentials of the author?

*** it-1 p. 963 Glory ***

In the Hebrew Scriptures, the word most often translated “glory” is ka·vohdh′, which basically has the sense of “heaviness.” (Compare Na 2:9, where ka·vohdh′ is rendered “heavy amount,” and 1Sa 4:18, where the related adjective ka·vedh′ is rendered “heavy.”) Thus, glory may refer to anything that makes a person or a thing seem weighty or impressive, such as material wealth (Ps 49:16), position, or reputation. (Ge 45:13) The Greek equivalent of ka·vohdh′ is do′xa, which originally meant “opinion; reputation,” but in the Christian Greek Scriptures came to mean “glory.” Among its senses are repute or “honor” (Lu 14:10), splendor (Lu 2:9; 1Co 15:40), and that which brings honor to its owner or maker (1Co 11:7). Often the Scriptures mention glory in connection with Jehovah God. As to its meaning in these cases the Theological Dictionary of the New Testament, edited by G. Kittel, explains: “If in relation to man [ka·vohdh′] denotes that which makes him impressive and demands recognition, whether in terms of material possessions or striking [dignity or importance], in relation to God it implies that which makes God impressive to man.” (Translated by G. Bromiley, 1971, Vol. II, p. 238)

2 While we may be impressed with the power, position,

or reputation of another person, what does

God look for in humans? The Scriptures actually

speak of a glory that God confers on humans. For example,

Proverbs 22:4 states: “The result of humility

and the fear of Jehovah is riches and glory and life.”

And the disciple James wrote: “Humble yourselves

in the eyes of Jehovah, and he will exalt you.” (Jas.

4:10) What is the glory that Jehovah bestows upon

humans? What can hinder us from taking hold of

it? And how can we help others to take hold of this

glory?

COMMENTS

But then if God has all power, why would he be impressed with the power of someone else?

Remember God exalted David, an adulterer and a murderer, allowed him to remain king and continue to have the Messiah come through his family line.

What glory does the WTS say the anointed and great crowd receive, men and women? The same?

3-5. To what glory may Jehovah lead us?

3 The psalmist expressed confidence that Jehovah

would take hold of him by the right hand and lead

him to genuine glory. (Read Psalm 73:23, 24.) How

does Jehovah do this? Jehovah leads his humble servants

to glory by honoring them in numerous ways.

He blesses them with an understanding of his will.

(1 Cor. 2:7) He bestows upon those who listen to his

word and obey him the honor of a close personal relationship

with him.—Jas. 4:8.

COMMENTS

HUMBLE servants – by whose judgment are they designated humble. Was David humble—was taking the census showing humility towards God? Did he listen to God and obey him?

(1 Chronicles 29:26-28) 26 As for David the son of Jes′se, he reigned over all Israel; 27 and the days that he reigned over Israel were forty years. In He′bron he reigned for seven years, and in Jerusalem he reigned for thirty-three [years]. 28 And gradually he died in a good old age, satisfied with days, riches and glory; and Sol′o·mon his son began to reign in place of him.

4 Jehovah also entrusts his servants

with the glorious treasure of the Christian

ministry. (2 Cor. 4:1, 7) And this

ministry leads to glory. To those who use

their privilege of service to his praise

and to the benefit of others, Jehovah

promises: “Those honoring me I shall

honor.” (1 Sam. 2:30) Such ones are honored

with a good name with Jehovah,

and they are likely to be well spoken of

by other servants of God.—Prov. 11:16;

22:1.

COMMENTS

So how does the WTS say jws are led to glory in their ministry? Is this a case of no everlasting life unless they preach the WTS message?

How was it then that an adulterer and murderer like David was given glory?

“likely” to be well spoken by other jws—and likely not to be with the climate of gossip that prevails in the WTS.

5 What about the future of those who

“hope in Jehovah and keep his way”?

They are promised: “He [Jehovah] will

exalt you to take possession of the earth.

When the wicked ones are cut off, you

will see it.” (Ps. 37:34) They look forward

to experiencing the incomparable honor

of receiving everlasting life.—Ps. 37:29.

COMMENTS

Where is Jesus in this picture? It is not amazing that most jws when asked what religion they are respond “Jehovah’s Witness” not Christian.

Carrot: everlasting life (on a paradise earth)

“I DO NOT ACCEPT GLORY FROM MEN”

6, 7. Why were many unwilling to put faith in

Jesus?

6 What could hinder us from receiving

the glory that Jehovah is willing to

confer on us? One factor is giving too

much weight to the opinions of those

who have no standing with God. Consider

what the apostle John wrote concerning

certain ones in authority in Jesus’

day: “Many even of the rulers actually

put faith in [Jesus], but because of the

Pharisees they would not confess him, in

order not to be expelled from the synagogue;

for they loved the glory of men

more than even the glory of God.” (John

12:42, 43) How much better it would

have been for those rulers had they not

given so much importance to what the

Pharisees thought.

COMMENTS

Glory = everlasting life (see previous paragraph)

So who does the WTS define as those having no standing with God?

So John was saying that putting faith in your religious leaders is wrong when they do not agree with the Bible. How many do-overs is the WTS allowed in their doctrines?

The WTS forgets that the leaders still had authority from God which is why Jesus was careful not to vary from the Torah but disregard the Talmud. Bible = Torah, WTS teachings = Talmud.

What teachings are changed today in the WTS that you could have been df’d?

7 Earlier in his ministry, Jesus had

clearly identified why many would not

receive him and put faith in him. (Read

John 5:39-44.) The nation of Israel had

been anticipating the arrival of the Messiah

for centuries. When Jesus began

teaching, some individuals may have discerned

from Daniel’s prophecy that the

appointed time for Christ’s appearance

had arrived. Months earlier when John

the Baptizer came preaching, many were

saying: “May he perhaps be the Christ?”

(Luke 3:15) Now the long-awaited Messiah

was in their midst teaching. But those

versed in the Law failed to accept him.

Pinpointing the reason, Jesus asked

them: “How can you believe, when you

are accepting glory from one another

and you are not seeking the glory that is

from the only God?”

COMMENTS

May have discerned

WTS Discernments

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http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/1800s.php

8, 9. Using the illustration of light, show how

human glory can obscure divine glory.

8 How human glory can obscure divine

glory can be illustrated by comparing

glory to light. Our brilliant universe

is abundantly glorious. Do you remember

when you last looked into the sky on

a clear night and found yourself encompassed

by thousands of stars? “The glory

of the stars” is awe-inspiring. (1 Cor. 15:

40, 41) When viewed from the street of a

well-lit city, though, how does the same

sky appear? Why, city lights make it almost

impossible for us to see the light

emanating from distant stars! Is this so

because the lights from roads, stadiums,

and buildings are stronger or more beautiful

than starlight? No! This happens because

city lights are closer to us and they

interfere with what we can perceive of

Jehovah’s creation. To witness the wonders

of the night sky, we must somehow

block out or avoid the interference from

artificial light.

COMMENTS

City lights make it impossible to see

Closer by us and interfere

Block out artificial light (let’s guess what the artificial light is: saying that 1914 is the end not the beginning)

9 Similarly, if the wrong kind of glory

were too close to our hearts, it could

prevent us from appreciating and seeking

the enduring glory that Jehovah is

willing to bestow. Many fail to accept

the Kingdom message because they are

afraid of what acquaintances or family

members might think of them. But

could the desire to receive glory from humans

affect even dedicated servants of

God? Suppose a young man is assigned

to preach in an area where he is fairly

well-known in the community but is

not yet known as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses.

Will he shrink back in fear? Or

what if someone is ridiculed for his pursuit

of theocratic goals? Will he allow

those without clear spiritual vision to influence

his choices in life? Or perhaps

a Christian has committed a serious sin.

Will he hide his wrongdoing because he

is afraid of losing his standing in the congregation

or because he does not want to

disappoint loved ones? In the latter case,

if his foremost thought is to repair his relationship

with Jehovah, he will “call the

older men of the congregation” and seek

their help.—Read James 5:14-16.

COMMENTS

Let people know what kind of glory or prominence they can find at the KH: elders, overseers, glorious ones, double honor

I found that elders did not want to call on workmates and passed it off to me, hmmm?

What would a jw (Christian) feel knowing that elders and their families get special dispensation?

Who forgives sins, elders or God?

10. (a) How may excessive concern about how

others view us cloud our judgment? (b) Of

what are we assured if we act with humility?

10 It may be that we are progressing

toward Christian maturity but a fellow

believer counsels us. His honest observations

could help us if we do not raise

a defensive shield because of pride,

the desire to save face, or the temptation

to justify our course. Or suppose

you are working on a project with a fellow

believer. Will your collaboration be

influenced by concern over who gets

the credit for your good ideas and hard

work? If you find yourself in any of these

situations, be assured that “he that is

humble in spirit will take hold of glory.”

—Prov. 29:23.

COMMENTS

“honest” observations or personal opinion not scripturally based

Did Jesus justify the course of his apostles when religious leaders counseled regarding disciples not washing hands in ritual fashion?

Concern over who gets the credit….wouldn’t the WTS want the qualified person do it the next time?

Can elders counsel married sisters?

11. What should be our inner response to commendation,

and why?

11 Overseers and those “reaching out”

for such an office should likewise

beware of seeking praise from men. (1 Tim.

3:1; 1 Thess. 2:6) How should a brother

respond when he receives sincere commendation

for a job well done? Likely

he will not erect a monument to himself,

as King Saul did. (1 Sam. 15:12)

However, does he readily recognize that

his achievement was possible only by Jehovah’s

undeserved kindness and that

any hope for future success still depends

on God’s blessing and help? (1 Pet. 4:

11) Our inner response to praise reveals

which sort of glory we are seeking.

—Prov. 27:21.

COMMENTS

Commendation? Sincere commendation of men let alone women is rare at the KH. The only time I heard it was 30 seconds before their “counsel.”

*** w08 9/15 p. 29 par. 7 Highlights From the Letters to the Thessalonians and to Timothy *** An effective way to give counsel is to mix due commendation with encouragement to do better.

Achievement only possible through God…who does not fit into that category, including Jesus. So is being self-defacing necessary to please God? When you hear public prayers at the KH praising or asking God to help the GB, where is the humility, the concern for the elderly, sick, depressed?

“YOU WISH TO DO THE DESIRES OF YOUR FATHER”

12. What prevented certain Jews from listening

to Jesus?

12 Another factor that can hinder us

from taking hold of glory from God is

our desires. Wrong desires can prevent

us from hearing the truth at all. (Read

John 8:43-47.) Jesus told certain Jews

that they did not listen to his message

because ‘they wished to do the desires of

their father the Devil.’

COMMENTS

Wrong desires = wrong in whose opinion, God’s or a human organization?

So what does the WTS consider the desires of the Devil?

13, 14. (a) What do researchers say about

the way our brains process human speech?

(b) What determines to whom we listen?

13 What we desire influences how we

hear. (2 Pet. 3:5) Jehovah designed us

with the remarkable ability to shut out

unwanted noise. Pause for a moment

and concentrate on how many distinct

sounds you can detect right now. Likely

you were not conscious of many of

them a moment ago. The limbic system

of your brain was helping you to focus on

one thing while sustaining your ability to

hear a variety of sounds. But researchers

have found that the task of simultaneously

differentiating between many

sounds becomes increasingly difficult

when it involves listening to human

speech. This means that when you hear

two voices at the same time, you have to

choose which one you will focus on. Your

selection will depend on which one you

want to listen to. The Jews who wished to

do the desires of their father, the Devil,

did not listen to Jesus.

COMMENTS

Cut out unwanted noise from the platform?

Choose one out of 2 voices, focus, source?

So what is the source of these assertions?

14 We receive messages from ‘the

house of wisdom’ and from ‘the house of

stupidity.’ (Prov. 9:1-5, 13-17) Both wisdom

and stupidity keep crying out to

us, as it were, and that presents us with

a choice. Whose invitation will we accept?

The answer depends on whose

will we wish to do. Jesus’ sheep listen

to his voice and follow him. (John 10:16,

27) They are “on the side of the truth.”

(John 18:37) “They do not know the voice

of strangers.” (John 10:5) Such humble

ones take hold of glory.—Prov. 3:13, 16; 8:

1, 18.

COMMENTS

So is the WTS the house of wisdom with all their adjustments and clarifications and flipflops?

Do jws hear the voice of Jehovah or the voice of Jesus?

“THESE MEAN GLORY FOR YOU”

15. How could Paul’s tribulations “mean glory”

for others?

15 Our perseverance in doing Jehovah’s

will helps others to take hold of

glory. To the congregation in Ephesus,

Paul wrote: “I ask you not to give up

on account of these tribulations of mine

in your behalf, for these mean glory

for you.” (Eph. 3:13) In what sense did

Paul’s tribulations “mean glory” for the

Ephesians? Paul’s readiness to continue

ministering to them despite trials demonstrated

to the Ephesians that the privileges

they enjoyed as Christians were

weighty and of the highest conceivable

value. Had Paul given up under tribulation,

would that not have conveyed the

message that their relationship with Jehovah,

their ministry, and their hope

were not valuable? Paul’s endurance exalted

Christianity and demonstrated that

discipleship is worth any sacrifice.

COMMENTS

So does persecution prove value? What about other Christian groups that are persecuted?

www.forum18.org

Worth any sacrifice? Give up their lives? But live their lives for others in the congregation?

16. What tribulation did Paul experience in

Lystra?

16 Think of the effect that Paul’s zeal

and endurance had. Acts 14:19, 20 reports:

“Jews arrived from Antioch and

Iconium and persuaded the crowds, and

they stoned Paul and dragged him outside

the city [of Lystra], imagining he

was dead. However, when the disciples

surrounded him, he rose up and entered

into the city. And on the next day he left

with Barnabas for Derbe.” Imagine being

left for dead one day and making a

60-mile (100 km) journey the next, and

that without modern transportation!

COMMENTS

Remember that Paul had no wife or children to take care. Remember too that Paul was functioning with a guilty conscience having persecuted Christians to the point of death.

So how many jws have gone through what Paul did, or would; how many have given money and time and emotional support to people in the congregation; maybe their friends.

Matthew 5:45-47.

*** w88 10/1 p. 11 par. 6 Appreciation for Our Brothers ***

On the pretext that the Scriptures allow for our having warmer feelings for some brothers than for others, are we inclined to rationalize our feelings? (John 19:26; 20:2) Do we think we can express a cold, reasoned “love” to some because we have to, while we reserve warm brotherly affection for those to whom we are attracted? If so, we have missed the point of Peter’s exhortation.

17, 18. (a) In what sense could Timothy have

closely followed Paul’s suffering in Lystra?

(b) What effect did Paul’s endurance have on

Timothy?

17 Was Timothy one of “the disciples”

that rallied to Paul’s assistance? The

account in the book of Acts does not explicitly

say so, but it is possible. Consider

what Paul wrote in his second letter to

Timothy: “You have closely followed my

teaching, my course of life, . . . the sort

of things that happened to me in Antioch

[expulsion from the city], in Iconium

[the attempted pelting with stones],

in Lystra [the stoning], the sort of persecutions

I have borne; and yet out of them

all the Lord delivered me.”—2 Tim. 3:10,

11; Acts 13:50; 14:5, 19.

COMMENTS

Does not explicitly say so, but it is possible = this explains that made up bible stories used in dramas at the conventions now. How many jws stupidly think it is actually in the Bible?

[brackets again] adding to the bible.

18 Timothy “closely followed” those

events and was thoroughly aware of

Paul’s endurance. This made a deep impression

on Timothy’s mind. When Paul

visited Lystra, he found Timothy to be

an exemplary Christian, “well reported

on by the brothers in Lystra and Iconium.”

(Acts 16:1, 2) In time, Timothy qualified

to take on weighty responsibilities.

—Phil. 2:19, 20; 1 Tim. 1:3.

COMMENTS

Except for the sanitized and massage and unverifiable accounts in current day WTS land, what examples to jws have today?

19. What effect can our endurance have on

others?

19 Our persevering in doing God’s will

can have a similar effect on others—

especially on young ones, many of whom

will grow up to be very valuable servants

of God. Young disciples not only observe

us and learn speech qualities and skills

from us in the field ministry but also

benefit from seeing how we deal with

the indignities of life. Paul ‘went on enduring

all things’ so that all who remain

faithful ‘may obtain salvation along with

everlasting glory.’—2 Tim. 2:10.

COMMENTS

So when older and ill ones can’t make every meeting, what effect does the WTS think they will have?

When was the last time when you were young that anyone other than a parent worked with you?

How many had fathers that were elders and mothers that were pioneers, found little time to work with their own children? I can remember them dumping them off at the meeting for field service and taking off on their “errands.” Expecting others to babysit their children.

Remember Paul’s’ everlasting glory was to be a king and priest in heaven with Jesus.

20. Why should we continue to seek the glory

that is from God?

20 Should we not, then, continue

“seeking the glory that is from the only

God”? (John 5:44; 7:18) By all means!

(Read Romans 2:6, 7.) Jehovah gives

“everlasting life to those who are seeking

glory.” Moreover, our “endurance in

work that is good” incites others to remain

steadfast, to their everlasting benefit.

Picture: Therefore, let nothing hinder you

from taking hold of the glory that God

gives.

COMMENTS

So what glory do women get? Is their glory their long hair?

CONCLUDING COMMENTS

Next week, For Those Loving Jehovah, “There Is No Stumbling Block”.

Elders and others like to say that jws that leave were “stumbled” which is bad but then manipulate those jws that stay telling them they can’t do something because some unknown jw might be stumbled. Another case of speaking out of both sides of their mouths.

Love, Blondie

Ding

As to its meaning in these cases the Theological Dictionary of the New Testament, edited by G. Kittel, explains

Why does the GB quote from so many Christendom sources?

How many of these people believe in the Trinity, hell, etc.?

What would happen to a JW who studied from these same resources?

LoisLane looking for Superman

Blondie...I am so glad you heard good news from the Doctor today.

You doing all of this extra work for all of us, for our benefit and for free, when you have your own life to live and going to work, wow, and you have been doing it for 8 years!

Blondie, I so appreciate your gift to us.

Thank you so much!

Just Lois

Quarterback

Thanks Blondie,

I do appreciate your labours, and would like to commend you as well.

baltar447

Welcome back Blondie!

BroMac

Thank you Blondie

tornapart

Thankyou Blondie... hope you're feeling much better now!

I underlined some good bits in my hubby's WT before he 'pre-studied' it... at least it made him smile and I think he got the point (the hypocrisy)!

WTWizard

Glory from joke-hova? Blinded by the light from men? I can remember when I was a jokehovian witless, I was quite blinded to the glory--of Satan! The witlesses are blind to any other than the fake glory from joke-hova, who doesn't want anyone to have anything except slavery and misery. And for what reward? So I can waste my life pious-sneering? Join their Value Destroyer Training School? Go to Nigeria and waste my life rotting there pious-sneering? Go to Beth Hell and throw away any and all possibilities of developing any skills that will be useful when the economy crashes and burns? Never mind not getting any fulfillment whatsoever, and not being able to do anything about it.

Now that I am away from joke-hova, I can clearly see that that monster wants nothing but slavery for everyone. Tyrant David, who seems to get a lot of glory despite knowing no Gentile that it didn't want dead, seems to get a lot of mention in this article (as usual). Has anyone ever analyzed Tyrant David's attitude without bias from the LIE-ble? How that thing would slaughter anyone for not worshiping joke-hova? If anyone ever did and didn't carry a bias, they would view that story of that thing's life as the most damaging thing ever written about Abrahamic religion. And joke-hova views that scumbag with high esteem. Could this mean that joke-hova is only the god of the Jews, and if you are Gentile, that thing is your enemy and Satan your friend? Just remember it was Tyrant David that sought to rid the region of Gentiles (unless they were proselytes), with joke-hova's backing.

As for me, I would not want to serve any god that held Tyrant David in high esteem.

JW GoneBad

WT's first mistake in this article was their selection of the Prov. 29:23 as the theme scripture: 'He that is humble in spirit will take hold of glory'

How can an organization and its members consider themselves 'humble' when a major teaching of said organization is all about judging members (often for petty offenses) resulting in either restriction of previleges or worse yet disfellowshipping and shunning. The judgmental treatment of shunning lasts a minimum of 9 months to well over a year or more and often times it takes years for the individual to live down the effects of such harsh and unloving treatment.

Conclusion: It'll be a cold day in hell before Jehovah's Witnesses take hold of glory!

Watchtower-Free

Well done

Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 04-28-2013 WT Study (TAKING GLORY)

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