Think outside the college Box

by Giordano 13 Replies latest jw friends

  • Giordano
    Giordano

    I was very impressed with the following information from Kiplinger's Magazine and considering my own experience it might be helpful to many on this forum.

    A lot has changed for those of us who graduated high school and decided to listen to our JW parents and our congregation and pioneer instead of furthering our education.

    I was that person, an indifferent HS student, not too prone to go on to college. And of course while no one told me not to go to college no one encouraged me to do so either. So like many others my college years were spent pioneering and serving where the need was great (as we called it in those days).

    My compensation was respect and appreciation from my fellow witnesses. However that respect and appreciation came at a very high price in future lost opportunities after my wife and I left the truth We were in our early twenties and ex Jw's.

    With little to no money and expecting our first child we moved in with my uber JW family and kept a very low profile while I attended a trade school to learn the basics of portrait and commercial photography. Our money ran out three months later so I took my limited knowledge and found my first job as a baby photographer. It was all up hill from there.

    Educational options have certainly changed......for the better. And so I hope the following will be helpful. I also would appreciate hearing from others about their experiences in choosing jobs/careers.......during and after their JW life.

    The following is a selection of interesting possibilities that are available here in the U.S. http://www.kiplinger.com/article/college/T042-C000-S002-4-alternatives-to-a-four-year-college-degree.html

    * Public college costs have skyrocketed in the last five years........ an average in-state education is now $17,860 per year. Private-college costs are approaching $40,000 a year. However on average you will earn far more then those with just a HS degree.

    * Unfortunately unemployment for recent high school graduates is a whopping 27% and career options are disappearing fast. Nearly four out of every five jobs destroyed in the recession were held by workers with a HS diploma or no diploma.

    *By 2020 the percentage of jobs that don't demand a post HS credential will shrink to 36% according to the Georgetown University Center on Education and Workforce.

    However if you can continue your education after high school the picture changes.

    *Holders of two year associate's degrees are in increasing demand in today's work-force. In fact, employers are planning to hire one-third more associate's degree earners this year then last, according to the Michigan State University's 2012-2013 "Recruiting Trends". That will far exceed the increase in demand for bachelor's degree holders.

    These degrees typically awarded after a two year-year program usually result in a career-oriented skill. Business degree holders earn some of the highest wages.

    * Most middle-wage-jobs $35,000 to $75,000-in fields with increasing demand, such as health care, information technology and public services require some form of post-high school certification.

    The earnings boost a certificate provides can be considerable. More then one-fourth of those holding postsecondary licenses or certificates earn more then the average bachelor's degree recipient according to Harvard Universities 2011 "Pathway to Prosperity" report.

    It's increasingly becoming a matter of Which occupations or industries you go into as opposed to the level of education.

    *For clarification a certification program is available at community collages-for profit schools or corporate programs; they will vary in price, length of study and academic prerequisites: For example becoming a certified nursing assistant requires course work at a community college plus clinical hours at a health facility and a passing score on a certifying exam.

    However to earn an information-technology certificate from the Microsoft IT academy (one of a number of industry -related certifying programs) you attend approved classes at an educational institution such as a community college or private school then take exams that test your proficiency with, in this case, Microsoft products.

    The article goes on to talk about using Community Colleges to get your prerequisites out of the way at two thirds lower cost then starting at a four year school.

    Also mentioned are three year BA programs.

    Mooc's "Massive Open online course's" are offered by Harvard, MIT and Duke free of charge through partners such as Coursera. The courses typically offer certification of completion, but few offer credit toward a degree, however that may change soon.

    The article ends at that point.

    What I learned was that just having a HS diploma is no longer sufficient.......... Employers are looking for job ready applicants.

    That "It's increasingly becoming a matter of Which occupations or industries you go into as opposed to the level of education."

    And there you have the game changer for those who feel they have missed the educational boat. You haven't because there are other ways to get where you need to go.

  • Band on the Run
    Band on the Run

    I get angry about the cookie cutter approach to further education. While leaving in New York, I met crafts services people in film and television. They make a whopipng sum compared to a college degree holder. Examples of high sought skills are tugboat operators, violin makers, carpentry (not maintenance).

    Also, many of these skill sets are so rare that the U.S. government saw national security interests in maintaining a craft within the United States. There were a host of listings of jobs that allowed one to bypass the military draft during the Viet Nam War.

    I am not a fan of community college. It does not vaguely resemble a decent four year program. These certifications are important. My local community college has special admissions policies to feed students to reputable and better than average four year colleges. The only drawback is that these colleges and universities are all local and not even statewide.

    College was not designed for work skills. Its purpose was to encourage the further maturation of young nobles and the children of wealthy merchants. Most who attended college only a few decades ago considered any work vulgar. I believe the economic consequences of WWII in Europe changed that idea. Because of law schoool, I more than earned my costs in one year of work. College only would have strung me out for decades.

    Liberal arts institutions prepared students to be a good and active citizen. I see only college as problematic now. Many companies won't pay a lot for unskilled college graduates. Knowledge of French or anthropolgy is not readily translatable into jobs. Certificate programs address that problem with concrete skills tha tindustry needs. Only high school is not good enough b/c of int'l competition. College is now the old high school grad status.

    It is fascinationg to me to see the contrasts occuring now. First, the emphasis on concrete skiils at a community college is present. Yet, many fields now require many years of education beyond college. Master's degrees are not considered "status" anymore. Society needs to address the only colllege grad track.

    Many students do not do well in college settings. If they are placed in apprenticeships or certificate programs, they flourish and outearn college grads. Living in such a conscious status area as Manhattan, I would say that crafts are very respected. In fact, they have more status than a college degree from a middle tier college. Many status NYers worship craftspeople since we have few pragmatic skills. They can do what we cannot imagine doing.

    I wonder how crafts jobs are viewed in other areas of the country and internationally.

  • Giordano
    Giordano

    Band on the Run: Craft is alive and well in the USA. I've exhibited with 1,000's of artists during my 32 year career. Most self taught.

    As I mentioned in my POV I did get some basic trade experience in photography........ at the time I thought I was going to become a commercial photographer. What I didn't mention was the long transition from trade to craft and ultimately to creating art that a museum would want to acquire if that was one's goal. Along the way we even figured out how to make what turned out to be a very good living. Something that no college even wants to teach. Instead 50,000 MFA's graduate each year and most can't find work.....many will find that their graduate exhibition will turn out to be their only exhibition.

    My greater point was, based on the Kiplinger piece........ "It's increasingly becoming a matter of Which occupations or industries you go into as opposed to the level of education." And for our lurking young JW pioneer who is missing out on continuing their education, or someone older who doesn't feel confident they can get a degree or even afford to get a degree, we are living in an age where anyone can access affordable education even in the privacy of their home.

    P.S. Your one of my hero's on this forum, you've shared a lot about your background, and I am totally impressed with your choices and accomplishments.

  • blondie
    blondie

    I read an article recently about the current boom building new homes in my area. It was hard to find tradesmen, contractors, etc. Especially in the field of masonry.

    It seems that trades have a bad reputation with some with the idea that any one can pick up brick and mortar and make a safe, attractive structure.

    http://www.bacwi.org/index.cfm?zone=/unionactive/view_page.cfm&page=Aprenticeship

  • jgnat
    jgnat

    Lots of Witnesses around here get a job in the trades. Less schooling and no philosophy class. Lots of pipefitters, electricians, welders, and heavy duty mechanics are in demand.

  • Jomavrick
    Jomavrick

    The witnesses I grew up with were in the trades too, Janitors, Window Cleaners, Auto Detailing and Lawn mowing. Oh and I did all those fun things too at one time.

  • talesin
    talesin

    Giordano, you said this " My greater point was, based on the Kiplinger piece........ "It's increasingly becoming a matter of Which occupations or industries you go into as opposed to the level of education."

    YES! I made that very point in another thread, and got ridiculed for it. I took an intensive program 3 years ago, figuring out what would be my best area to target for retraining, and part of it was researching the projections for job opportunities over the next decade or so.

    Skilled trades, service and mixed media arts are the strongest areas projected for future employment. ie, mostly 2-year certificates and community college programs.

    Nicely said.

    tal

  • blondie
    blondie

    Jomarick, so you think I was talking only about those kind of trades....did not read my post very carefully.

    I don't look down on people with landscaping businesses, or janitor or window cleaning businesses. I've know of people who made a good liiving doing that type of work. I've also known of people with PhDs that could not get work in their narrow field of interest. It is important to examine the work opportunities in your area or any area you are seeking to relocate to. Get the education necessary to be successful in your goals. Talk to those in your area of interest.

    Trades is not a dirty word........or an automatic sentence to poverty.

  • talesin
    talesin

    Yeah, I know a couple my age who bought a cleaning business from a VERY REPUTABLE JW who sub-contracted his work (I was one of his sub-contractors, started at age 11) out to other 'brothers and sisters' TM for really good money! He was well-off, but by no means wealthy.

    This couple who bought him out, changed the business model, and started employing people at minimum wage. They now own the biggest commercial cleaning company in town, and pay minimum wage for the same work I was doing in the 70s (and making at least $10-15/hour because it was CONTRACT work).

    They now own a $$Million home, a Caddy, and each have their own personal SUV.

    I don't have much respect for that pair (as they make their money off the backs of others), but the Elder who originally owned the business, made sure that all his sub-contractors made hella good money.

    Whenever I needed extra cash, it's always been a great fall-back for part-time work. Even today, ppl will pay good bux (I work for no less than $20/hour) for professional cleaning - apartment moves are especially profitable. When I injured my foot, I was picking up 200-300 bux/month working 3-4 hours/week for a church as their 'custodian'.

    Cleaning is an honorable profession, and can be a very 'smart' way to make money, especially for those of us who were denied higher education. While slogging my way through uni in my 20s/early 30s, and up the corporate ladder, it was an invaluable skill. And after I got sick, it was a way to make some 'good' extra money for a small amount of hours.

    xo

    tal

  • Giordano
    Giordano

    Talespin said "Giordano, you said this " My greater point was, based on the Kiplinger piece........ "It's increasingly becoming a matter of Which occupations or industries you go into as opposed to the level of education. YES! I made that very point in another thread, and got ridiculed for it. I took an intensive program 3 years ago, figuring out what would be my best area to target for retraining, and part of it was researching the projections for job opportunities over the next decade or so."

    That was VERY smart. I think that approach really helps.

    By the way........ there is no place for ridicule on this forum when people are having an honest discussion.

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