Is Blind Obedience to group of men supported by Scripture?

by nugget 21 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • nugget
    nugget

    I have been pondering over the demands made by the Governing body for absolute loyalty and unquestioning obedience to their interpretation of scripture. Is this a reasonable request and is it in line with scripture? Alternatively is there in fact a scriptural defence for taking personal responsibility for beliefs and having a questioning attitude when being told what is to be believed.

    There are ample scriptural warnings about trusting in men Psalm 146 v 3 warns us not to put our trust in nobles or earthly men and Galatians 1 v 8 goes even further stating that even if an angel were to preach to us something contrary to the teachings of Christ it should be ignored. These scriptures show that people can be in error and not everything preached is to be followed unquestioningly regardless of the source.

    In fact it would appear that the Bible does not encourage passivity either in the old or new testament. What can we learn from the example of the Israelites? The Bible talks of a nation chosen by God with a form of religion laid down by him and yet they frequently went astray. The religious leaders tasked with interpreting God’s will for the nation and acting as mediators often abused the people whilst they themselves followed corrupt practices. This inevitably led to religious corruption at all levels . If the Bible is to be believed were the people judged as less guilty than their leaders because they passively followed them without question? No they were not, the whole nation was punished with exile or defeat in battle and the whole nation was considered worthy of punishment. Only individuals that took a stand were separated and given any form of divine protection. Those individuals singled out for praise were often the lone voices described as cting with courage of conviction.

    Phinehas in Numbers 25 v 8 took affirmative action against Zimri and Cozbi who had brought foreign women into the Isrealite camp whilst the rest of the people stood by. His aggressive and violent response is applauded as a sign of faith and zeal for what is right. In addition prophets such as Elijah, Jeremiah and Malachi highlighted corruption and preached warnings and were applauded as fine examples of faithful men but were not universally popular at the time or heads of large factions within the nation. The majority of the nation followed the prevailing majority viewpoint.

    The New Testament is even clearer about the responsibility of the Christian to follow the examples of men of faith and that Christian have to take personal responsibility for their beliefs. Romans 14 v 12 talks about how each one will render an account of themselves to God. There is no suggestion that this can be delegated to another person or group. The Bereans were applauded as people who took this to heart constantly checking whether what they were being told was correct. Acts 17 v 11 talks about them as a fine example to be imitated. To suggest that it is unnecessary to check because “We have the truth” is not supported by the Bible. To suggest that men are imperfect and make mistakes but should be followed without question until God sorts things out is also not a view supported in the Bible accounts above. You cannot abdicate your faith to another and you cannot sign over your integrity to a group whoever they claim to be. If someone is critical of your faith then they may be the Jeremiah who is warning of the corruption within it. How will you know if you are not diligent?

    Gal 2 v 11 & 12 shows that even the men of faith such as Peter were not immune from making mistakes. But did this mean that the early Christians should not correct him or point out his error? Paul saw an issue and was forthright in his criticism. Once again this is cited as a fine example. Without checks and balances and scrutiny corruption is inevitable and then a religion becomes about control . Christianity is a dynamic faith that does not fear scrutiny but supports and encourages it. Truth does not become a lie because we look at it closely only liars fear exposure.

    So there is no scriptural basis for blind obedience if we accept that religion has representatives who are imperfect they need to be humble enough to accept that they will make mistakes and will need to be accountable to their followers for their interpretation. They should invite and expect Christians to check the validity of their claims and they should have complete transparency after all each Christian has a personal responsibility for their conduct and beliefs and this should be appreciated and accepted.

  • tec
    tec

    Excellent post!

    Here is another verse:

    "Test the inspired expresions"

    (though the wts and other religious leaders probably abuse that one, becasue of how that chapter ends)

    Another point to consider is that if the Jewish people had all blindly listened to their religious leaders/organization, none of them would have followed Christ to begin with.

    Peace to you,

    tammy

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  • EmptyInside
    EmptyInside

    Excellent points. I'm going to keep them in mind when/if the topic comes up with JW family.

  • cantleave
    cantleave

    I would really hope that the recent emphasis on obedience to 8 men in Brooklyn gets more people thinking.

  • 5go
    5go

    Nope it isn't.

  • nugget
    nugget

    5go nice and sucinct love it.

  • breakfast of champions
    breakfast of champions

    "Scripture" is just the medium these guys works in. . . .

    Other cults use UFO's or L Ron Hubbard's books as their medium.

    Blind obedience is part of the underlying structure of all cults; the other stuff (bible, science fiction) is all just surface stuff.

  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW

    In WatchTower World,if it`s in the Watchtower..

    It`s Biblical!..

    The Bible was written to support the WBT$!..

    Thats in the Bible Too!..

    You`ll need a WatchTower to help you understand that..

    .......................... photo mutley-ani1.gif...OUTLAW

  • humbled
    humbled

    If the scriptures tell us anything they tell us not to give blind obedience to men.

    When Jesus talked about being a child of Abraham to the Jews he exhorted them to do the works of Abraham. The work of Abraham was to listen/obey God's voice only.

    In my final interviews with the elders Abraham's faith at Genesis 22 was my saving. Why? Because Abraham was a human being who, even without a clear understanding of God's request, responded with all his heart and mind.

    I told them that, like Abraham, I had to answer to God first before I answered to them. That conscience before God required me to act upon my understanding---not somebody else's. That without compelling, persuasive teaching to convince me of another viewpoint, then I would have to act on my own (even if flawed) understanding--because cowards are not approved by God. I was open to God changing my thinking (after all, Abraham didn't drive the knife into Isaac's throat when God stopped him and showed Abraham the ram in the bushes after all.) But for me to do and say what Bethel dictated given no more reason than that they had said it was not the way the first door-knocking JWs had presented a Bible study to me in the first place.

    If I were to be a child of Abraham, I too had to give God direct consideration. Abraham didn't have a religious organization to interpret God. He didn't even have a King James Bible or a New World Translation. He didn't submit his contact with the Being to a mediation committee. Talk about ignorant! But Abraham listened--as best he could--to God. I realized I had given my ears to Bethel.

    But now I wanted them back.

    By the time the months of interviews were done and Bethel had reviewed and condemned my conscience ,I was realizing that I couldn't live any more blindly obeying the writings from Brooklyn.

    Every poster here has said what is the real Truth--no group of men, no matter how educated and intelligent and full of years can rule over your faith and conscience. Even stumbling and falling, we have to answer on our own.

    Maeve

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