Any fellow writer's or copyright lawyer's on here?

by Newly Enlightened 22 Replies latest jw experiences

  • Newly Enlightened
    Newly Enlightened

    I've run into a problem and have some questions....

    I'm sure most of you have seen the video on JWStruggle's Youtube channel regarding my book I wrote in 2002 and the problem with the elders on getting it published. Well after my contract ran out in 2003, I retained all the rights and they told me that all left over copies would be destroyed except the few legal copies being sold on Amazon, Barnes & Noble, Alibris, etc.

    So, because of the video someone asked about my book and I said that it was no longer available, they wrote back and told me it's all over the internet.

    Come to find out, a large Canadian Publisher bought out my original publisher in 2007 and 'accidently' downloaded the original file onto their computers and started selling my book [Hard copies & digital] without a contract.

    My question is, anyone know what the going asking price for a quiet settlement is for this type of thing?

    I know I'm not Dan Brown or Clive Cussler and probably won't get millions, but I don't want to get short-changed either.

    Thanks

    K

  • JeffT
    JeffT

    CALL A LAWYER NOW. Sorry to shout, but as a writer myself this kind of thing enrages me. A lawyer can advise you about the real deal, they may think they purchased your contract when they purchased your old publisher. That might, in fact be true, in which case they owe you whatever money would be due under the contract. Otherwise they are in major trouble.

    A hope you can get it worked out.

  • Incognito
    Incognito

    You need a Literary Lawyer! Not only are you dealing with your creative rights within your own country but also your rights internationally.

    The best time to have retained a Literary Lawyer was prior to signing a contract with your publisher. Now that is in the past so you need a properly trained specialist to act for you in the aftermath.

    Here is a link to an article from Huffington Post http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arielle-ford/do-i-really-need-a-litera_b_927120.html

  • Band on the Run
    Band on the Run

    I may have violated copyright law by posting this article from a legal blog. My expertise is not in copyright law. This article describes the basics of copyright law. There are massive violations on this forum. Others may have more knowledge. They will sue forums. When I was in law school, we regularly had professors copy and paste then photocopy voluminous materials to present their best textbook. The results while not aesthetic were far better than if we were restricted to one textbook. One pompous prof acknowledged copyright infringement but declared no one would sue a university. A few years later I opened my New York Times. The main article was how NYU was being sued for many millions for this practice. The suit was successful.

    On March 20, 2013, the Southern District of New York held that Meltwater, an Internet news aggregator, infringed the Associated Press' copyright by excerpting news articles and delivering them to Meltwater's paid subscribers. 1

    Meltwater uses computer programs known as "crawlers" to scrape, or copy, articles from online news sources, thereafter delivering excerpts of the stories to its subscribers in response to search queries. 2 In this way, Meltwater functions as a traditional news clipping service upgraded with searching capabilities, delivering its customers customized emails that contain news excerpts responsive to their specified search requests. With regard to the at-issue AP articles, Meltwater had excerpted anywhere between 4.5 percent to 60 percent of the stories, including what AP asserted was the critical aspect of the stories—the lede sentence.

    PERMISSIBLE FAIR USE?

    Meltwater did not contest that it had infringed AP's copyright in the articles. Rather, it relied on five affirmative defenses, the principal one being fair use. 3 The fair use defense, which allows for the use of copyrighted works in limited instances such as for purposes of criticism, commentary, news reporting, or teaching, focuses on four statutory factors: (i) the purpose and character of the use (including whether it is for commercial purposes and whether it is transformative); (ii) the nature of the copyrighted work (e.g., whether the copyrighted work is fictional or nonfictional); (iii) the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and (iv) the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work (asking whether the new use would lessen demand for the original work). 4

    AP argued in its briefing that traditional news clipping services were not protected under the fair use doctrine, citing Ninth and Eleventh Circuit precedent. 5 In both Los Angeles News Service v. Tullo 6 and Pacific & Southern v. Duncan, 7 the courts rejected the fair use argument handily, with the Eleventh Circuit noting that the defendant's news clipping service—which videotaped plaintiff's news broadcasts and sold those tapes to others—"is neither productive nor creative in any way." 8

    Meltwater contended that its main contribution over and above traditional news clipping services was its search engine capability, and that providing customers with this service constituted transformative use of the original works and thus was protected under the fair use doctrine. In support of its argument, Meltwater relied upon two well-known Ninth Circuit fair use cases, Perfect 10 v. Amazon.com 9 andKelly v. Arriba Soft, 10 in which the courts held that the displays of thumbnail images of copyrighted works on defendants' Image Search webpage constituted fair use. The Perfect 10 court had found such use "highly transformative," citing Kelly's reasoning that the thumbnails improved access to information on the Internet rather than functioning as a means of artistic expression. 11

    The Meltwater court rejected the analogy to Kelly and Perfect 10. Central to the court's holding was its finding that "Meltwater News is neither designed nor operated to improve access to" content across the Internet. In this regard, although Meltwater contended that it functioned principally as a search engine by providing its subscribers links to the full articles, virtually none of its subscribers actually clicked through to read the source article, relying instead on Meltwater's excerpt of the article. 12 Even less helpful to Meltwater's defense was the court's finding that Meltwater automatically took the lede from every AP story. "As described by [an AP editor], the lede is 'meant to convey the heart of the story.' A lede is a sentence that [AP argued] takes significant journalistic skill[s] to craft. There is no other single sentence from an AP story that is as consistently important from article to article—neither the final sentence nor any sentence that begins any succeeding paragraph in the story." 13 In so holding, the district court emphasized §107's focus on the "substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole," 14 citing the Supreme Court's "heart of the work" doctrine in Harper & Row, which recognizes that "relatively small takings may be significant if the portions taken are qualitatively important." 15

    IMPLICATIONS, RAMIFICATIONS

    In some respects, the district court's rejection of Meltwater's fair use defense does not break new ground in that it adheres closely to earlier news clipping precedent and largely turns on the fact-specific finding that Meltwater's "search engine" is a sham. However, as it is one of the first cases to apply the fair use defense to search engines based on text, not images, Meltwater raises many interesting questions about whether (and under what circumstances) other news search engines, like Google News, could raise a viable fair use defense, particularly if the search results contained a story's lede. The case also raises the question of whether news aggregators that do not offer a search function, but exist merely to compile other stories, could ever operate legally in the new digital age. Tullo and Pacific & Southernwere 20th-century decisions involving videotapes; the new digital age of e-readers and tablet-based news services has seen an outgrowth of companies trying to capitalize on the large wealth of available information on the Internet in ways that improve the way we access and consume news and information.

    In the case of news search engines, the answer should be relatively straightforward. Critical to Meltwater's failure to mount a successful fair use defense was the fact that it appears not to have served as a search engine at all: Users were using the service to read the news, not find the news. And the quantity and quality of content Meltwater was taking mattered as well.

    Moving forward, search engines and aggregators should recognize as their main priority ways to legally locate, rank, and sort the content for which its users are searching. Put differently, to come within thePerfect 10 line of analysis, they must somehow "lead without the lede," directing users to the original story by providing enough detail that it fulfills the user's search, but without divulging too much information that the original source becomes unnecessary. Like a thumbnail, the "image" of a news story (i.e., the excerpt) must be both clear enough to signal to the user that they have potentially found the story they are looking for, yet hazy enough that they cannot rely on the excerpt itself to glean all the information they need.

    News aggregators, on the other hand, can take some solace in the fact that the underlying facts of a work such as an article, unlike the expression of such facts, are not copyrightable. Notably, the common law "hot news" misappropriation doctrine, the elements of which were called into doubt by the Second Circuit's 2011 majority opinion in Barclays Capital v. Theflyonthewall.com, 16 was not addressed by the Meltwater court. Barclays, which held that one's "ability to make news…does not give rise to a right for it to control who breaks that news and how," was a win for news aggregators everywhere—at least when it comes to reporting on the underlying facts of a story. 17

    But if it was not clear already, Meltwater makes it clear to news aggregators that merely cutting and pasting excerpts from news stories will likely result in a finding of copyright infringement with no fair use defense on which to lean. Whether a creative, transformative way of displaying copyrighted content would qualify for a fair use defense remains to be seen. Services such as Flipbook, Pinterest, or even Twitter certainly suggest that there may be socially valuable uses of information that involve aesthetizing, sharing, and repurposing data. The key in the new digital age will be ensuring that it is done so legally.

    Anthony J. Dreyer is a partner and Xiyin Tang is an associate at Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom.

    ENDNOTES:

    1. Associated Press v. Meltwater U.S. Holdings, No. 12 Civ. 1087 (DLC), 2013 WL 1153979 (S.D.N.Y. March 20, 2013) (to be published in F. Supp. 2d).

    2. Id. at *3-5.

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  • Band on the Run
    Band on the Run

    Obviously, I skimmed your post. What I can never explain to people here sufficiently is that facts drive law cases. Change the facts and the results change. You cannot rely on other people's experiences or general legal information b/c the authors do not know your facts. It is rare in my experience for a case to completely match the reported fact cases. Different lawyers may view the facts and law differently. This is a very specialized field. It is cheaper to see a specialist b/c they don't need to research all the cases each time.

    A local specialist will also know what happens at the trial and intermediate appeals process locally better than some internet posting.

    A stitch in time saves nine. People here underappreciate the value of consulting a lawyer before trouble starts. It is penny wise and pound foolish. Experienced business people know how to play lawyers. A lawyer should not control your life. The goal is for you to assess your risk. Writng is highly personal. The actual cost may not matter. Most people who write are very proud of their product. Invest in your writing.

    The economy is poor. Many lawyers will offer free 45 minute consultations. It need not cost thousands or even hundreds. Check the credentials. You want someone with a thorough academic knowledge but also lots of experience in similar matters. Good lawyers save people money. They keep you from spending thousands later. I know they exist.

  • Newly Enlightened
    Newly Enlightened

    Thank you everyone. I have hired a lawyer. Publisher was stupid enough to send me an email admittingguilt and it was an 'OH oops' accident. I do have a legal copyright in U.S.A. Book was published in 2002 with my name as the copyright owner.

    Copyright office has told me that the publisher's fine, if I file a claim can be anywhere from $700- $250,000

    I was just wanting to know what the going price is for a copyright infringement of this nature. My attorney doesn't want to tell me a figure at this point. He's hoping they'll want to quietly settle out of court without filing with the U.S copyright office.

    is asking for the $250,000 they might have to pay in fines out of line? Should I ask for more? I don't know.

  • Newly Enlightened
    Newly Enlightened

    One good thing, I am a member of 'Legal Sheild' so they got me into contact with the right attorney I needed. This is not an advertisement for Legal Sheild, but the $300+ a year has paid for itself many times over.

  • Newly Enlightened
    Newly Enlightened

    JeffT: One good thing, the publisher admitted that my contract had expired in 2003, they bought the old publisher out in 2007, they admitted that they do not know how my book got downloaded & sent to the digital & warehouse distributors.

    But they have admitted guilt.

  • Vidiot
    Vidiot
    Band on the Run - "Good lawyers... I know they exist."

    In your professional opinion, how would you rate the WTS's legal department?

  • Oubliette
    Oubliette

    I am a writer and composer with (unfortunately) a fair amount of experience enforcing copyrights and keeping publishers honest.

    Generally speaking, you can only recover actual damages (ie, "lost revenues") unless you can prove fraudelent intent, which is NOT the case as the publisher admitted/claimed it was a "mistake."

    Probably you could get an accounting of sales and the publisher then pays you that. If they're making sales you might not want to alienate them as this could possibly be an on-going revenue stream.

    My suggestion is to keep a close rein on your lawyer or their "billable hours" may eat up all of your income. Lawsuits are the anuity gift to attorneys.

    This is interesting, please keep us posted.

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