Why send Satan down to earth in 1914 - didn't we have enough problems? (page 2)

This nonsense demonstrates the bible thought the universe was flat, above was heaven and below us the underworld. Given the earth is round where exactly is Satan, wouldnt he just pass thru one side and end up on te antipode ?

WTWizard

And what about joke-hova starting all the trouble and then blaming Satan? Last I knew, Satan isn't on the earth or in its vicinity. But there are mobs of filthy angels that are here--starting all kinds of sxxx like wars, famines, shortages, and money problems. Those angels are the ones that created the whole concept of one group of people being inherently inferior to others, then they are intolerant of anyone that points out how some groups are different (if not inferior). Angels make Black people look inferior to Whites, then guilt Whites into accepting the Blacks are equal (they are neither equal nor inferior, just different). Doing this deprives everyone of being able to have their cultures in their purest form.

Angels are also responsible for all the hatred against women. Again, women are not equal to men--nor are they inferior. Nor should they be submissive. This is no excuse for them to be bashed, held in submission to often abusive husbands--any more than that Blacks have their unique culture was an excuse for angels to have so many of them kidnapped, shipped to places where they do not belong, and enslaved to White masters; and then released and destroying both Black and White culture. Both women and Black/Asians deserve respect. Neither deserve to be enslaved to Whites and/or men who abuse them. Yet, the filthy angels go and perpetrate this abuse--and invariably blame Satan and His Demons for it. Note that Demons do not wish us to be enslaved and abused.

mP

WTWIZARD

Yes let christians have their liberation and freedom of the OT. Women in submission to their husbands like the Taliban, and hte husbands all living in fear from the king of Jehovah like David or solomon, who killed hundreds and milliojns of hteir own people as stated in the bible. WHo needs friends like that.

Cold Steel

Trying to make sense of JW scriptural exegesis is the first mistake. Satan has always been on Earth (ever since his rebellion in the councils of heaven). John writes that the dragon's tail took one third of the stars and cast them to Earth:

And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. (Rev. 12:4)

Satan was cast out in the Beginning and was in the Garden of Eden when man was placed there. His role on Earth is to tempt the children of men and try them, to see if they (knowing good from evil) will choose the good and reject the other. Only during the Millennium will he be bound, and no longer will man be tempted. To say that he had a place in the Kingdom of Heaven until 1914 is a manmade doctrine. God put emnity between Satan and man, so that while he may have power to bruise his heel, man, through Christ, would have power to crush his head.

Xanthippe

This nonsense demonstrates the bible thought the universe was flat, above was heaven and below us the underworld. Given the earth is round where exactly is Satan, wouldnt he just pass thru one side and end up on te antipode ?

Yes mP I thought exactly the same thing, the picture these scriptures conjure is of the universe being the earth, moon and sun. Heaven is just above the earth and when Satan gets thrown out of heaven he falls straight down to the earth.

As you say an ancient flat earth view of the solar system. The universe in this picture does not contain billions of galaxies each containing millions of stars with some planets where Satan could have been sent. Just this one, just the heavens and the earth. Didn't God know about the rest of the universe when he inspired the Bible?

Sammy Jenkis

Definitely one of those questions I didn't have until recently- literally the best answer I received is: "I don't know, that's a good question."

lost

There is a lot of discussion as to when/if Satan was cast out/confined to the Earth.

Was it past ? Is it present ? Is it yet to come, Future ?

I have struggled with the whole 'things are getting worse, things are so bad'

People have never had it so good, in modern societies that is. ( The West) not too sure about the rest of the world, as there are some pretty heinous things going on in foreign cultures.

Being doing a bit of research on the whole 'being in subjection' thing, and it looks like it is an intentional abuse / mis-interpretation of scripture to be used as a vehicle of control.

If wicked men have power, they will do wicked things.

Psycopaths have no scruples, no morals, no care.

Maybe the whole 'just as in the Days of Noah, is not literally 'physical', but the invisible, the Spiritual sense.

Comatose

It's all stupidness. Its god once again ruining mans chances of ruling themselves. Once again stepping in to hurt man or make the situation impossible. And there are two things to think about here.

1. WT says man chose to sin and chose Satans way so could not be shielded from the consequences. Hence that being why demons were allowed to come down and meddle in affairs prior to the flood.

2. WT says that Satan was thrown down here when war broke out in heaven and WWI started and since Satan and crew have been here making more gay people and wars ever since.

What the heck about Universal Soveriegnty? It has not been answered and can't be answered in this scenario. People could possibly have a wonderful society without all this demonic and god meddling. It blows me away. God kicks the devil out of heaven causing WWI and horrible problems on earth, to be able to say "things are horrible down there now."

Well here is a thought. Maybe, just maybe if god had dealt with the devil in the first place and then if he felt so insecure that he had to let humans see they need him, he could have let them try living without him. But, noooooo he sets it up for failure and them along the way does major things to hurt us.

Creates a tempting tree for no reason other than to offer his children a way to disobey. Something that should be technically impossible since god is all good and perfect and could not create anything capable of doing bad.

Ignores children while talking snakes and devils trick them and ruin his plan.

Lets demons come down and screw women and beat up everyone.

Causes flood because he let demons do the above.

Just after flood, less than 150 years, he thinks man is already so messed up that he creates the Russian and Chinese languages to screw up communication.

Has the ability to send an angel to kill 185k warriors, and make sun stand still, and let Samson kill thousands while never dying, but lets Israelites go into battles he tells them to have, and lets them die in battles.

Sends pioneers rent money or groceries on door steps, prevents suicides by sending JW to doors, but lets children be molested and used as sex slaves with no intervention.

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Dont believe any of it. It's all a lie. Try to wash it from your brain by logically thinking about it everyday.

Crazyguy

Didn't happen. Jesus said he saw him fall like lighting, this might of been symbolic but just before he died Jesus said again 'Now Satan will be cast out' So he most likely was thrown out of heaven in the first century when Jesus took his thrown in heaven and set up his kingdom in heaven.

Why send Satan down to earth in 1914 - didn't we have enough problems?

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