JW Middle Schoolers vs Non JW Middle Schoolers - what was your middle/high school experience?

by Julia Orwell 35 Replies latest jw friends

  • Julia Orwell
    Julia Orwell

    I'm a secondary school teacher and I've spent a lot of time at school this year since I've left JWs simply observing student dynamics. I do a lot of playground duty and have the opportunity to observe the kids at play and in the classroom. I've especially had the opportunity to observe middle school kids, that is, kids between 12 and 15 in my state.

    My observations of these 'worldly' children are:

    • They play a lot of active games, like 'tag', handball, chasing each other, gentle wrestling etc (younger teens and usually boys)
    • Some play contact or team games like basketball
    • They play computer games on their phones and watch each other play
    • They listen to music and watch music clips on their phones
    • They go to the library to use the facilities or do school work
    • They sit/stand around in groups and talk and laugh very loudly and generally enjoy each others' company
    • They are usually very free and easy around each other
    • Throughout all these social and gaming interations, they self-regulate and generally behave safely and harmoniously
    • They socially mediate their group rules without any help from adults and regulate each other's behaviour through the unspoken rules of the group
    • They are very expressive of their emotions and can be quite affectionate to their friends
    • While the teachers maintain the rules, the kids 'own' the playground. It is their space to enjoy themselves.

    In conclusion, the kids in the playground, while a bit rowdy at times, are basically well behaved and such unstructured time allows teenagers to develop and negotiate valuable skills such as teamwork, mediation, negotiation, networking and socialising. They learn to respect others' differences and navigate around difficult personalities. As the duty teacher my job is to ensure the kids don't litter, do anything dangerous like climb onto the covered walkway, anything illegal such as smoke, and keep within the school boundaries. Occasionally trouble breaks out in the playground, but I'm talking like once a month.

    Now contrast this with my years of observations of JW kids 12-15 years old in places where many of them are gathered together lunch breaks at assemblies:

    • They never play ball games- at DC venues there are places where they could, but I've never seen a kid pull out a ball.
    • They never run and chase each other
    • They do not listen to music or play phone games together
    • They show little physical affection
    • They do form groups, but there is never the loud bursts of laughter and good-natured loud outbursts from them as they will be pulled up
    • They very rarely are allowed to mediate and negotiate their own group dynamics as there is always an authority figure hushing or mediating for them
    • There is none of that ease of movement and little spontaneous expression among them
    • They often appear ill at ease in the environment

    In conclusion, they behave in a much less natural, more subdued manner. The younger teens especially do not do the things younger teens do, ie physical activity such as games of handball, tag and general horseplay. The teens are not allowed ever to be loud, and being loud is a perfectly normal teenage behaviour. They calm down as they get older, say into senior years. Middle teens being loud usually means they're NOT doing something wrong because they are being spontaneous and have nothing to hide. JW teens are rarely spontaneous in their JW peer group like they are in the playground. As for group dynamics, loudness and physical movement as well as congregating in groups is how they develop and mediate their dynamic. JW kids are mediated from outside their groups rather than allowed to develop their own dynamics.

    Now, teen group behaviour does need to be monitored and boundaries have to be set, and the playground duty teacher does this within the school's established parameters. She also polices the kids to the extent that they are not doing anything illegal or dangerous. Apart from that, the kids can play and talk how they choose. In being allowed to do so, they develop valuable social skills such as negotiation, mediation, empathy. But consider the extent to which teen JWs are monitored: it's not just a matter of keeping them in the venue's boundaries, but there are parents, elders, attendants and others everywhere. Kids are never allowed to be loud. They are judged by what they wear and how they speak by all the adults around them.

    I believe that the JW kids are not allowed to BE kids. I was not raised JW and would like to hear from those of you who were, commenting on my observations and including your own experiences.

    Now JW kids in the middle school classroom- that's a whole new thread.

  • JimmyPage
    JimmyPage

    One friend wrote in my high school annual: "I really enjoyed playing with you in grade school. Then it seemed like you kind of disappeared in high school." Looking back, kids from school were started to hang out at my house and invite me to parties until my parents put a stop to it around sixth grade. I then felt more awkward around the other kids when I was at school. I definitely think my growth as a person was stunted. But I always played sports at lunchtime. In grade school it was pickup football games and in high school it was pickup basketball.

  • Julia Orwell
    Julia Orwell

    But at an assembly? Kids just aren't kids there.

  • wasblind
    wasblind

    There was a young couple in the congregation I attened

    that decided to home school thier child to keep them from bad influences

    of the world

    I know that people decide to home school their children for many reasons

    but this couple actually think they can raise thier child in a bubble

    How unrealistic

  • Julia Orwell
    Julia Orwell

    Seen it happen too. The kid is not equipped to deal with the real world.

  • talesin
    talesin

    I was talking to a friend yesterday about that (we call it Junior High, grades 7-9). He has never been JW, and went to the same school, though a few years ahead of me. We only became friends as adults.

    *sigh* it was some of the worst years of my life ...

    My parents only 'released' me long enough to go to school and back - literally. We lived a few blocks from school, so I left home about 10 minutes before it started, and had to be home immediately for lunch, same thing for the afternoons. Not allowed to join anything - no sports, clubs, or socialization unless it was required (ie, team project that had to be worked on after school, which was rare).

    I was called JOHO, and relentlessly teased. Usually got beaten up a couple times a week, and kicked around a lot at recess. I remember, my older brother watching a couple of boys beating me up on the way home from school. He was with his friends (he was allowed friends, I was not), and he would watch and laugh. Of course, he pushed me around and was quite violent with me at home as well.

    Academically, my parents held me back. When I was older, they gave me my school records. There was paperwork, where the school board had invited me to be in a class for 'gifted children', an accelerated program, and my parents turned it down. They also fought the school board about required reading - books were A Clockwork Orange by Burgess and The Other by Tryon. They tried to have me exempt from reading those 'demonized' books, but the school board won.

    My first year, I started working after school cleaning offices - I was 11 or 12, as I had skipped grades .. .life was hell. I was so glad to 'escape' to high school, but that didn't last long when my parents took me out in grade 11,,, I was 14, and had been offered an exchange program to the Sorbonne for my senior year. I guess they were afraid because I LOVED learning so much. And, my mom was always jealous of my brains and opportunities.

    I got invited to every dance, but was never allowed to go.

    okay, that's it - just the truth, not a pity party. I am proud to have survived my childhood, and spent a lot of years healing. I got my high school diploma during my 20s, and went on to university. Fell short of my accounting designation because I got sick, but have always taken courses here and there, and will never stop learning!

    Oh, and two teachers tried to 'save me' in junior high - the vice-principal and my French teacher. I have to say, I wish I could thank them now. Back then, a lot of people looked the other way when they saw abuse, but they didn't ... the laws/system was such that they coudln't really help me, but I want to say a big thank you to Miss Spicer and Mr. MacDonald. TEACHERS ROCK!

    xo

    tal

  • talesin
    talesin

    Oh, I DID join the Chess Club in 9th grade... we met during school hours, so my parents couldn't stop that. I was pretty good at it, too. :P

    I'm such a nerd!

  • Julia Orwell
    Julia Orwell

    Talesin! What a tragic story! How disgusting that parents would deliberately sabotage their child's education. I cannot tell you how sickening I think that is. What parent fears that their child is too smart?

  • talesin
    talesin

    I come from a sick, twisted family. Not to worry, I am SO glad I'm not like them.

    It's good to tell our stories. For me, being identified is not an issue ... so I want to 'testify' about how serious the implications of being brought up in this cult can be. Not all 'born-in' folks had such a severe upbringing, but it's important to see the ugly, brutal underbelly of the WTS.

    Hey, much to you. Teaching is one of the most challenging jobs ... low pay, high burn-out. Take care of yourself.

    xo

    tal

  • Julia Orwell
    Julia Orwell

    Thanks. I love teaching but yes, it's hard work. I returned to it this year after a number of years working in another sector, and just observing the hundreds of different kids I meet is really illuminating. Seeing the way the 'worldly' kids are and the richness of their interactions and comparing it to JW kids makes me see just how threadbare their lives are. I really feel for them.

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