If you can understand THE CREATION OF EVE you can understand how the Watchtower spins lies

by Terry 16 Replies latest jw experiences

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  rawe

  Hi Terry,

  All this raises a serious question about Jehovah directing the organization along with the relative importance of ideas. When I was studying in my teens the second book we covered was Life Everlasting in The Freedom of The Sons of God. Very detailed chronology from Adam down to 1975 and even 2975 (+ 1000 years) given a mention.

  Why is all this research and detailed understanding of chronology suddenly never mentioned after 1975 comes and goes? Why is this chronology the subject of much print before 1975 but not afterwards? As far as I am aware none of the underying chronology has been revised since. So why not a Watchtower study or two showing how 1975 was the end of 6000 years of human existence?

  Or consider the case of Reasoning From The Scriptures. It contained impressive analysis of the rise in the number of earthquakes in the 20th century. Now, I appreciate there is some serious objections to the methods employed in the analysis. But for argument sake, lets say, the point is completely solid. From 1914 until the research for the book was done there was a rise in the number of earthquakes. And this formed positive proof we were living in the "last days." What should one make of this reading in in 1985?

  What about 1995, 10 years later?

  Or 2005, 20 years later?

  Or 2015, 30 years later?

  Or 2025, 40 years later?

  Would the author of Reasoning From The Scriptures, be willing to say, "Now when you read this earthquake analysis, you should understand that indicates we are living the the 'last days', but... the end could easily be down the road for another 30 years"?

  So it goes, time is a harsh master for the those making end-of-days, soon, about-to, any-day-now pronouncements. And the kicker is Jehovah would know all along nothing would happen in 1914, 1925, 1975 or 28 years since the Reasoning book appeared.

  Cheers,

  -Randy
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  Finkelstein

  If god supported Fred Franz's lies and culpable Bullshit then he must have supported those other liars/Charlatans.

  This all comes into effect of proliferating literature that these ones knew they were going to profit from one way or the other.

  Its alarming but maybe not surprising how religious Charlatans pretentiously use the belief in the bible and exploit that belief to their own

  perceived advantage in getting their published literature distributed.
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  Terry

  Why is all this research and detailed understanding of chronology suddenly never mentioned after 1975 comes and goes? Why is this chronology the subject of much print before 1975 but not afterwards? As far as I am aware none of the underying chronology has been revised since. So why not a Watchtower study or two showing how 1975 was the end of 6000 years of human existence?

  None of it will stand up to scrutiny and the Watchtower org is under enough pressure from the Internet as it is.

  The less they double-down on the less embarrassment they must endure.

  All the above was the product of one fertile and twisted man's mind: Fred Franz.

  He pooped his pants with 1975 and they'll be smelling the lingering aroma for decades to come.
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  Vidiot

  Terry - "The less they double-down on the less embarrassment they must endure."

  I dunno; I think they're definately "doubling down" by staying the course with regards to the Conti case.

  Think about it for a second; if it goes all the way up to the Supreme Court and they lose, then yes, it will be embarassing as hell and potentially open up a huge can of worms by setting a damning precedent for any similar cases in the future.

  However, if the WTS can get a win at the SCOTUS level, that, too, could set a precedent that would effectively immunize them from further litigation.

  This is why I expect the WTS to fight and appeal the Conti verdict all the way up; that prospect would well be worth the risk to them, particulary when one takes into account the economic pinch that's dictating KH and Assembly Hall closures and sales, downsizing of magazines and books, and plateauing of donation-related revenue flow...

  It's like playing a high stakes poker game with a weak hand in the final round, and trying to bluff a win for the whole pot.
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  Terry

  There are no Hayden Covington's around today who are members of this religion.

  The make-up of the court is not such that a fundamentalist ruling is a no-brainer.

  The Conti case has to be taken down to the bitter end because it costs them so many $$$$'s.

  Should this case be lost AND the award allowed to stand---it is the beginning of the END.

  The defensive spin will have begun in advance interpreting the negative outcome as a certain sign of Armageddon.

  A worldwide prediction of the END will be dusted off ala 1975 simply because it rakes in the cash and causes an influx of new members.

  It may be a whole lot more difficult to overcome the bad publicity of losing a child molestation, high-profile blow, however.

  Perhaps impossible to overcome. The Catholic church has had to turn to 3rd world venues because the population of those countries is ignorant of

  the bad publicity.
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  Vidiot

  Terry – “There are no Hayden Covingtons around today who are members of this religion.”

  Yeah, it’s ironic; not only the skilled fighters like Covington are gone, but the intellectuals, creative-types, and outside-the-box thinkers who may have been able to help the WTS smooth this over are all but completely purged from the Organization by now, too.

  Terry – “The make-up of the court is not such that a fundamentalist ruling is a no-brainer.”

  In the Information Age, fewer and fewer people will put up with extremist bulls**t; we're more and more interconnected, and it negatively impacts us all.

  Terry – “The Conti case has to be taken down to the bitter end because it costs them so many $$$$'s.”

  I was under the impression that the revised $11mil penalty wouldn’t actually cause the WTS that much difficulty. Surely they have liquid assets; they couldn’t have all their $ tied up in investments, could they?

  Unless you’re referring to which option would cost the WTS more; 1) paying the legal fees all the way up to the Supreme Court and winning, or 2) accepting the current verdict and backing away from the table.

  Of course, if they went with the latter, that would – for all intents and purposes – accept a precedent that the Legal Dept. has probably determined would cost them more $ in the long run.

  Terry – “Should this case be lost AND the award allowed to stand---it is the beginning of the END.”

  Well, a SCOTUS-level victory in Team Conti’s favour will definitely set the stage to bury them in future litigation; Candace Conti’s mom as much as said that there were reams of them waiting in the wings, and she’d definitely be in a position to know.

  Terry – “The defensive spin will have begun in advance interpreting the negative outcome as a certain sign of Armageddon.”

  Oh, that goes without saying.

  Terry – “A worldwide prediction of the END will be dusted off ala 1975 simply because it rakes in the cash and causes an influx of new members.”

  I dunno about that one. Historically, apocalyptic millennialist groups need to “date-set” because, as you said, it galvanizes the membership and swells the ranks in the short term, but the WTS holds the unofficial record for failed date-setting; the tactic is long past its sell-by date. I think they’d lose too much credibility (at least with the older R&F) to risk it.

  Then again, I have believed for some time that more and more, the GB wants to pare the R&F down to a more manageable size (albeit at a rate that they can exercise some control over). All these things would definitely do that.

  Sorry; I just realized I derailed the thread and went off-topic.
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  Terry

  No, you didn't derail.

  Every topic has a shelf life. Sidebar discussion can be a peripheral angle that illuminates the whole.