Earthquakes -- major departure!

by cyberguy 30 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • TheStar
    TheStar

    Can you guys believe that when I showed this article to my husband, his totally brainwashed mind was able to dismiss it as as new light?

    The convo went like this:

    Me: Hon, hasn't the society always said that earthquakes have been increases through out the years?

    Husband: Yes.

    Me: This is an interesting article, I think it's new light.

    He reads it.

    Me: Am I right?

    Husband: No, it's not new light.

    Me: What? The society has never said that earthquakes were increasing through out the years?

    Husband: No

    I wanted to strangle him at that point, so I totally dropped it.

    He's so in denial.

  • Xenu
    Xenu

    AlanF:

    I was referring to the Society stressing in the past the number of people that have been affected by earthquakes since 1914. For example

    *** w83 5/15 6 Earthquakes-A Sign of the End? ***
    What is it that would make an earthquake “great”? Its intensity, or magnitude, as measured by the Mercalli or Richter scale? Or, rather, would it not be its notoriety and the amount of destruction it caused? As the accompanying Chart III indicates, loss of human life due to earthquakes has mushroomed since 1914. And some of them with the greatest magnitude have been deep within oceans, known only to a few, with little if any effect on human property or life. In determining the modern fulfillment of Jesus’ prophecy, we should focus not merely on the magnitude of quakes according to the Richter or other such scale but on the extent of resultant property damage and loss of human life

  • Xander
    Xander

    *** it-1 670 Earthquake ***
    Jesus foretold earthquakes in significant number and intensity as a feature of the sign of his presence. (Mt 24:3, 7, 8; Lu 21:11) Since 1914 C.E., there has been an increase in the number of earthquakes, resulting in much distress

    *** w88 10/15 3 The Sign-Proof That the New World Is Near? ***
    The New Encyclopædia Britannica (1987) lists 63 “Major historical earthquakes” spanning the past 1,700 years. Of this total, 27, or 43 percent, have struck since 1914.

    and, especially damning, since it was AFTER the article you posted:

    *** w87 1/15 21-2 Earthquakes-Distress Upon Distress ***
    Based on available records, the 20th century does significantly overshadow the past in seismic activity. Publications of the Watch Tower Society have repeatedly called attention to this, highlighting the Biblical significance of earthquakes occurring since 1914.

    Emphasis mine - OOPS - looks like another WT doctrinal flip-flop

    *** g84 10/22 6-7 The Countdown Nears Its End! ***
    EARTHQUAKES
    ‘There will be earthquakes in one place after another.’—Matthew 24:7; Mark 13:8; Luke 21:11.
    The earth shakes from more than a million quakes a year, 3,000 of them forceful enough to move the earth’s surface noticeably. Modern scientific instruments are finely tuned to note and record even the slightest quake. But Jesus foretold “great earthquakes.” (Luke 21:11) Has the frequency of these really changed? It has never required sensitive mechanisms to tell us when major quakes strike. Since 1914 the yearly average of reported severe earthquakes has soared to over 11 times what it was during the thousand years before then.

    Xander F
    (Unseen Apostate Directorate of North America - Ohio order)

    A fanatic is one who, upon losing sight of his goals, redoubles his efforts.
    --George Santayana

  • AlanF
    AlanF

    Ok Xenu, now I understand what you meant. However, never before this recent article has the Society stressed exclusively "the number of people that have been affected by earthquakes since 1914." They've mentioned it as just one of the things that they've claimed justify their "end times" doctrine, but they've also stated clearly that quakes have increased in both magnitude and frequency since then. Xander gave some references and there are many more. This can be seen in the very quote you posted: "... we should focus not merely on the magnitude of quakes according to the Richter or other such scale but on the extent of resultant property damage and loss of human life."

    In 1983 or so the Society did some extensive research about just how much damage and loss of life has resulted from quakes during the past few thousand years. Mostly they relied on information published by the National Earthquake Information Service (or something like that; I'm going from memory here) but they also used other, less extensive sources such as encyclopedias and books on earthquakes. The results were published, if I remember right, in a 1983 Awake!, as well as in the Reasoning book and a couple of other places. The main claim was that during the period after 1914, the average death rate due to quakes was some 20 times higher than in the entire 4,000 or so years before that. Of course, this claim is pure nonsense, as later statements by the Society admit. The latest admission is in this recent article. In their published report they made extensive use of statistics of quakes 7.0 on the Richter scale and up.

    How did the Society arrive at such a bogus claim? Easy -- they cooked the statistics. I got hold of the report from the NEIS that they used, as well as the Society's "master list" (see the Reasoning book for a mention of this) and compiled my own figures from it. Guess what? Their counting of quake statistics was deliberately skewed so as to make the figures for the post-1914 era seem way bigger than those for the pre-1914 era. What kind of skewing did they do?

    They used three measures to decide how many 'severe quakes' occurred in each year they could get figures for: quakes over magnitude 7.0 on the Richter scale, quakes that caused 100 or more deaths, and quakes that caused $5 million or more in damage. Each of these measures is skewed for a number of reasons:

    All statistics on the raw occurrence of quakes prior to the advent of a global network of seismographs beginning around 1896 are bound to be incomplete. This means that far more quakes of magnitude 7.0 and up were not reported prior to 1896 than after. The Society failed to account for this.

    Death reports are similarly incomplete. Furthermore, the population of the world was far lower than today for most of the time covered by the report. The Society failed to account for these facts.

    Property damage in money terms is rarely reported for quakes prior to about 1900. Furthermore, when it is, it is not corrected for inflation to an equivalent of today's dollars. Thus a great many quakes that would be included if they had occurred after 1914 would not be included in the earlier statistics.

    There's a lot more, but the above is sufficient to show why the Society could make such grossly bogus statements about quake statistics.

    I have carefully analyzed the data in the Society's own "master list" of quakes for the period from 1500 through 1983. According to that data the period from either 1500 to 1600, or 1600 to 1700 -- it's been awhile since I reviewed the data -- saw nearly as many deaths as did the period from 1900 through 1983 -- and that when the population of the world was 4-5 times lower back then! When I factored in the world's population and divided the death rate by population to get a figure for average number of deaths per year per person, I found that the death rate for the 20th century is actually at least three times lower than for the 16th or 17th century! And that according to the Society's own data! Using very recent and more complete data from the NEIS, I found that the actual death rate is closer to four times lower for the 20th century. And keep in mind that the statistics for the 20th century are far more complete than for prior times, so that any new information about quakes will only make the death rate for earlier times higher. Clearly, either the Society deliberately deceived its readers, or it deceived itself and therefore its readers.

    A major question that comes out of the above facts is, How can anyone trust an organization that is either so dishonest or so incompetent that it cannot manage to properly collate simple data and report it correctly? As a JW sympathizer, you need to answer this clearly.

    Of course, the above facts also completely negate the Society's long tradition that earthquakes are a "sign of the last days". The fact that quakes occur no more frequently nor with any worse magnitude than before proves at the very least that they cannot be a sign of anything. The fact that the risk of dying in a quake is far lower today than ever before can be interpreted as an "anti-sign", if one puts any stock in the claim that Jesus was saying that quakes would be a "sign". The Society's most recent claim that the mere existence of quakes is a "sign" is completely out to lunch, because if quakes are no different in magnitude or frequency than ever before, and the risk of getting killed in one is much lower, then how can they possibly be a sign of anything? It would be like my telling you to meet me at Joe's Restaurant when you see that the sky is blue.

    AlanF

  • Had Enough
    Had Enough

    Thanks so much Alan for your logical analysis of the data and giving us the something substantial to reason on.

    It is truly refreshing to read something that makes sense and doesn't make claims in the manner that the WTS does...sheer emotional crowing which only amounts to feable attempts at trying to appear "in the know".

    Your statement hits the nail square on the head:

    A major question that comes out of the above facts is, How can anyone trust an organization that is either so dishonest or so incompetent that it cannot manage to properly collate simple data and report it correctly? As a JW sympathizer, you need to answer this clearly.
    And to think I spouted this drivel about the "increasing earthquakes being a sign of the nearing end" for so long! I really start to boil when I read how they arrived at these statistics and presented them to our trusting minds, as "facts" and "proof".

    If it is a deliberate misrepresentation, then it is just another one of the many examples I have been collecting thanks to you and a few other researchers, and that I hope will become more and more known to those with a functioning mind.

    (Edited to fix my not-smiling smilie)

    Had Enough

    "Never doubt that a small group of citizens can change the world.
    Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."
    ...Margaret Mead

  • AlanF
    AlanF

    Had Enough, I hope you'll soon read Carl Olof Jonsson's book The Sign of the Last Days: When? It was the first truly comprehensive analysis of the Society's bogus claims about quakes and other non-signs I read. There's plenty of data in there.

    AlanF

  • Had Enough
    Had Enough

    Thanks for the suggestion Alan...I'm now in a better position to start devoting more time to more reading. It still gets my dander up to keep on finding these things out...but at the same time, it is so therapeutic.

    Had Enough

    "Never doubt that a small group of citizens can change the world.
    Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."
    ...Margaret Mead

  • SPAZnik
    SPAZnik

    Great thread cyberguy!
    I have totally enjoyed reading all this.

    Xan - thx for looking up that info...very damning indeed!

    SPAZ

  • Nemesis
    Nemesis

    Great points Alan—here are some from our friends at the Watch Tower:

    Therefore, how will you respond when pointed statements are made about false religious teachings and corrupt practices? Will you immediately condemn the person or organization making the exposé? Do you feel it is all right to teach lies and misrepresent God’s Word, but wrong to expose the error? Contrary to what some may think, it is not unkind and unloving to lay bare falsehood and corruption… Therefore, it is right and proper to speak out strongly against falsehood and corruption. A person or organization that, in imitation of Jesus Christ, has the courage to do so deserves attention and respect. (Watchtower 1966, 1 March, p. 132)

    WHAT results when a lie is let go unchallenged? Does not silence help the lie to pass as truth, to have freer sway to influence many, perhaps to their serious harm? (Watchtower 1973, 15 January, p. 15)

    Why, some people have even been known to doubt the truthfulness of a message simply on the basis of where the message bearer came from… Are you open-minded enough to investigate? It will be to your everlasting benefit if you are… A closed mind may betray a lack of interest in the subject or a reluctance to look into the matter. In fact, it could even be a sign of uncertainty or doubt. For example, if we are unable to defend our religious views, we may find ourselves lashing out against those who challenge our beliefs, not with logical arguments, but with slurs and innuendos. This smacks of prejudice and of a closed mind… A closed mind may also indicate a selfish desire to retain certain advantages that an open mind might cause us to lose… Are you open-minded enough to consider the possibility that you may not be? It will pay to find out. Whereas an open mind can serve to your advantage, a closed one will almost certainly serve to your detriment. (Awake! 1984, 22 November, pp. 4–8)

    Knowing these things, what will you do? It is obvious that the true God, who is himself “the God of truth” and who hates lies, will not look with favor on persons who cling to organizations that teach falsehood. (Psalm 31:5; Proverbs 6:16-19; Revelation 21:8) And, really, would you want to be even associated with a religion that had not been honest with you?” (Is This Life All There Is? 1974, p. 46)

    Oh the irony!

  • Xenu
    Xenu

    AlanF:

    Have more people died since 1914 from earthquakes?

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