WARNING and SAVING PEOPLE so that they aren't destroyed...is....ILLOGICAL (page 2)

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Phizzy,

Sadly, many people have killed their families to save them... The WTBTS needs a special group of " Jehu class " pioneer assassins. You get 6 months to get baptized, or you will be saved...

This is similar to my asking my ex-wife (when we were still married) about all of the people in China who have never heard the message - or whatever they call it (basically meaning that there are not enough door-knockers in China).

Her response was along the lines of 'Well, Jehovah can make the rocks cry out, if he wants to, so they will get the message, too."

You can't reason with the unreasonable.

DeWandelaar

According to Paul the good news was already preached to all nations (or something like that). It does not matter what WE do anyways... the same with all the other stuff that is written. The only thing that would remain in our time is "love" ...

"Love" (I do not mean the erotical version although I love that one very much) is the only factor that is important. If we have no love then God is not with us anyway.

Ding

Wasn't the book about 1975 Life Everlasting in Freedom of the Sons of God?

At any rate, the WT doctrine doesn't make much sense:

1. People who don't have a fair opportunity to learn and understand the truth will be resurrected and get a second chance.

2. People who do have a fair opportunity to learn and understand the truth but reject it will be destroyed.

So wouldn't it be more loving NOT to tell them the truth now but wait for the resurrection when they can see that there is life after death?

Of course, according to the WT if they are destroyed at Armageddon they won't be resurrected.

So if a person dies the day before Armageddon, he gets a second chance, but if he dies the next day in Armageddon, he won't.

Does that make sense?

Where specifically does the Bible say that someone destroyed at Armageddon won't be resurrected?

The Bible says very little about Armageddon actually.

Add to that the number of times the WT has flipflopped on whether certain groups will or won't be resurrected (men of Sodom, for example) and you have total confusion.

And to think that when I studied I was impressed because it seemed that the WT had a well thought out system that answered everything...

LoisLane looking for Superman

"Warning and saving people is illogical". Thank you Terry. You said it correctly and I agree with you.

So as a religion, was WTB&T$'s purpose to produce a little blue book, "The Truth That Leads to Everlasting Life", was it to "warn the wicked" before mighty God destroyed them at the fearful Armageddon in 1975 or, as a book Publishing Business, did they want to produce a book to become a Best Seller, which they said, made it into The Guninsss Book of World Records, along with much free advertising by it's sales force, which felt compelled to do this, because The Book Publishing Business people, told them they would be blood guilty if they did not knock on people's doors and warm them?

So, which?

Warning and saving people OR a gimmick to sell more of their books?

AND

What was the main focus of selling this cheap 25 cent book?

Gaining more adherents to "save them" OR gaining more adherents to fleece their pockets for more "donations" to build an ever growing worldwide RealEstateDevelopement Business worth billions of dollars, that 8 small Popes in Brooklyn are in charge of AND MAKE A NAME FOR THEMSELVES?

Just Lois

TD

Come with us now to those thrilling days of yesteryear......

LOL Terry, I watched the Lone Ranger too....

SAHS

“EdenOne”:

“One can argue that the jw.org Website is a new tool that can reach vast amounts of people simultaneously with the message.”

Actually, JWs don’t really care about reaching as many people with the message as possible – they only like to give the impression that this is so. If they did desperately want to give as thorough and efficient a witness as possible to the entire world, then they would make more use of the general media, including TV, radio, and regular multimedia blogs on the Internet (as opposed to just posting a redundant list of current magazines on their main Website, which is really more for internal benefit).

“Pizza”:

“If the J Hitman walks up to the door and, without speaking, shoots the HH between the eyes, that person goes "straight in to the New System".”

Well, maybe a more fair approach would be for the elder reviewing the questions before baptism to just take a loaded handgun along for use depending on the potential baptismal candidate’s overall score on those questions. (I.e., a fail is certainly a fail!) Under this method, they would still be “saved” regardless of their score on the baptism questions. A fail would just mean being “saved” a whole lot sooner than later (i.e., the old high-velocity slug into the head routine).

And for any Bible studies in the field who are pregnant, the WT could start supplying very potent “morning after” pills at the literature counter which would induce miscarriage/abortion at any stage of pregnancy, thus taking away that unpleasant uncertainty and worry of parenthood by preemptively eliminating any chance of those Bible studies’ children ever rejecting the “truth” and not being “saved.” They could call it the “children’s salvation pill,” to be offered to all Bible studies, ensuring an early boarding pass to the “New System.” I can just see it now; announcing in the Our Kingdom Ministry a new chewable version of the “children’s salvation pill,” which, unlike the rules and regulations from the Governing Body, are actually easy to swallow.

MrFreeze

The whole point of Terry's post (this is what I got out of it anyway) is that for every day Jehovah doesn't bring Armageddon, he is just adding more and more bodies onto the pile. 7 million Witnesses and 7 billion people in the world. For every 1 person that Jehovah saves by delaying Armageddon, 1000 more have to die.

Also, if death at Armageddon is dependent on rejecting the warning (as JW's will often claim), then wouldn't we be bloodguilty for not leaving people ignorant? If we hadn't warned them, they wouldn't have died!

Terry

Jim:

This is similar to my asking my ex-wife (when we were still married) about all of the people in China who have never heard the message - or whatever they call it (basically meaning that there are not enough door-knockers in China).

Her response was along the lines of 'Well, Jehovah can make the rocks cry out, if he wants to, so they will get the message, too."

If a rock started crying out to me, would I:

A. Stop and listen carefully

B. Grab my chest and put a nitroglycerin tablet under my tongue

or

C. Run like hell until my legs didn't work anymore ??????

Satanus

Simply killing adam, eve and 'satan' in the garden and creating 2 new humans would have been much more humane and effective. It was basically, another roll of the dice for the creator god. By now, the earth would be a perfect paradise, filled w happified perfect people and vegetarian furry animals underfoot, everywhere. Likely, the earths human population would have already reached the level the wt calls full. And so, children would have stopped being produced.

S

WARNING and SAVING PEOPLE so that they aren't destroyed...is....ILLOGICAL