by frankiespeakin 27 Replies latest jw friends
Cedars,
The spy game, ay? Watch out for double agents.
One thing we got in our favor is they are in denial and arrogant, and so predictable while in this delusion of grandure and exclusive appointment.
Get them to show their meaness, cause them to weild their authority to an extreme going on worthless witch hunts, decimate their ranks by their own hand by useing their weapons on their own loyal members which they seem more than willing to sacrifice if the need arrises?
frankiespeakin - "One thing we got in our favor is they are in denial and arrogant, and so predictable while in this delusion of grandure and exclusive appointment. Get them to show their meaness, cause them to weild their authority to an extreme going on worthless witch hunts, decimate their ranks by their own hand by using their weapons on their own loyal members which they seem more than willing to sacrifice if the need arrises?"
A Fifth Column operation, huh? You scare me, sometimes, Frankie.
I haveta say, it sounds intriguing; the way they foster fear of the "secret apostate" who might be sitting right next to you at the KH, they've practically done most of the work for us.
Vid,
All is fair in love and war.
BTW I thought your mention of a fifth column needs to be introduced in this subject:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_column
A fifth column is a group of people who undermine a larger group, such as a nation or a besieged city , from within. The activities of a fifth column can be overt or clandestine . Forces gathered in secret can mobilize when coordination with an external attack requires and extend even to uniformed military operations as part of a coordinated campaign. They can be clandestine, involving acts of sabotage, disinformation campaigns, or espionage executed within defense lines by secret sympathizers with an external force.
Emilio Mola, a Nationalist General during the Spanish Civil War, told a journalist in 1936 that as his four columns of troops approached Madrid, a "fifth column" of supporters inside the city would support him and undermine the Republican government from within. The term was then widely used in Spain. Ernest Hemingway used it as the title of his only play, which he wrote in Madrid while the city was being bombarded, and published in 1938 in his book The Fifth Column and the First Forty-Nine Stories. [1]
Some writers, mindful of the origin of the phrase, use it only in reference to military operations rather than the broader and less well defined range of activities that sympathizers might engage in to support an anticipated attack. Madeleine Albright, for example, in a lengthy account of German sympathizers in Czechoslovakia in the first years of WWII, reserves it for their possible response to a German invasion: "Many, perhaps most, of the Sudetens would have provided the enemy with a fifth column." [2]
Bumping this since the thread about the 1914 service meeting video seems to be going off topic a bit.
I've started taking magazines (as many as I can get away with) and throwing them away at home. There's already been a lot of frustration in my congregation over the new magazine arrangement (in which the congregation only gets a set supply, no set number for each individual publisher) because they're always running out, so I figure I'll try to make that a little worse. I've also heard of some congregations getting sternly written letters if they don't count as many placements as their magazine order on a regular basis, so between my throwing away magazines and not reporting any even if someone takes them to get rid of me, I might help some in the congregation see what happens when you cross "mother."
I also look for oppurtunities to give comments that are directly contrary to the WTS stance on something - the best time to do this being the oral review, since there's no written material readily available for the comment to come from, so everyone will be following along with your comment, nodding their heads only to have it contradicted by the school overseer or the next comment. The best example of this that I can think of was when they had something about Lev 5:1 in the review. The official answer was that if you find out about someone's secret sin and you don't rat them out to the elders then you're just as guilty, but that's not what the scripture was about. My answer gave an accurate interpretation of the scripture - it was saying that if someone was wronged and was asking who it was that did it and you don't tell then you're just as guilty, but if the wrongdoing wasn't publicly known, then it didn't apply. I also referenced Matt. 18:15 where it says to privately talk to your brother if you become aware of a secret sin. The school overseer kinda stumbled for a second and didn't know how to react (presumably because he was looking at the WTS answer that directly contradicted my well-reasoned scriptural answer) and called on an elder that went on to talk about how important it is to let the elders know if you find out about someone's secret sin.
Of course, if you give answers like this, you must be prepared to be sickened by the number of people who come to you after the meeting to congratulate you on how much research you put into it, etc. I just hope that some might be nudged a little out of their slumber.
Any other ideas on how to keep sane and sabotage the cult while I'm still in for the wife?
I think sarcasm can be a good tool. If giving a comment or talk you can state the JW line in such a way that it sounds like you're being sarcastic, like you're hinting at how wrong/ridiculous the JW line really is, but be sure to have a prepared, innocent denial response if the elders speak to you about it afterwards. Also, try to bridle the degree of sarcasm so it's not too obvious that you're being sarcastic. Make it sound sarcastic while at the same time leaving room so that it can be doubted that you're actually being sarcastic.
Ask innocent, non-confrontational questions that lead JWs to think and have doubts. Let them arrive at the logical TTATT conclusions and doubts while you pretend to be a loyal dub who has a sincere question or seeking clarification.
You can also draw attention to the bad policies or teachings of the organization by disguising your criticism of the org as a positive statement of commendation. For example, you can say something like: "Isn't it wonderful how we have progressed as an organization while christendom remains in the dark? For example, there was a time when we, like christendom, honored Jesus more in our speech and in our songs. Today we have grown to understand that it is not necessary - and is liikely even wrong to - honor Jesus like that. All honor goes to Jehovah! But christendom doesn't get it - they foolishly think they have to honor Jesus to have Jehovah's approval."
You can also disguise TTATT as a ridiculous idea you heard from someone in the ministry.
"You know I met this guy in the ministry once and I was explaining the "other sheep" of John 10:16 to him and you wouldn't believe the ridiculous nonsense he learned at his church. He said the "other sheep" refers to gentile christians . . . something about Jesus earthly ministry was just to the lost sheep of the house of Israel so the other sheep refers to the future ingathering of gentiles not of the fold of the house of Israel. And he was telling me about this text in Ephesians 2 that explains what John 10:16 is referring to, but I don't remember the exact verses. Can you believe the utter nonsense they're learning in church?! They are in such darkness!"
Here is an easy one , ask them what the good news of the kingdom is, since that's what their supposed to be preaching. And the tell them you can answer it correctly in one word. Sit back and whatch their brains misfire while trying to think of the correct answer. It would be great if you could ask an elder or ppioneer this question in front of many r&f members that would be awesome. By the way the one word answer is Messiah and you can then reference gal. 1:6-8 where Paul says this and says anyone proclaiming another gospel will be cursed. I doubt anyone will figure out their cursed according to Paul, but showing their stupidity will be fun.
Questions. Why? Can you explain this to me? Having to explain a subject helps anyone realize how stupid some things are.
Oneeyedjoe:
Of course, if you give answers like this, you must be prepared to be sickened by the number of people who come to you after the meeting to congratulate you on how much research you put into it, etc. I just hope that some might be nudged a little out of their slumber.
My experience, exactly, often with my highlighting references from an older publication. Bible, first, however.
Thanks.
CoCo
