587 BC vs 607 BC: VAT 4956

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  • Londo111
    Londo111

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5CKh0lhMF4&list=PLyNx0oM_bmgCUrQ9a8qZ4xY6YrlzNyX-l&index=6

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkaU04G-BmI&list=PLyNx0oM_bmgCUrQ9a8qZ4xY6YrlzNyX-l&index=7

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZLLnGOBifM&list=PLyNx0oM_bmgCUrQ9a8qZ4xY6YrlzNyX-l&index=8

    Thanks to AnnOMaly for the corrections to few mistakes I made. My apologies to everyone for the errors.

    Hopefully Appendix 7C will be completely sometime this week, where I finish up an analysis of VAT 4956. In time, I hope to frame these in the 607 main series with a more high level overview of VAT 4956 and astronomical diaries in general.

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  • Jeffro
    Jeffro

    Good work.

  • AnnOMaly
    AnnOMaly

    I second that. Good work

    Just some extra info. on Rev. line 6' and the lunar halo occuring on Sabatu 6, in case anyone's interested.

    P. 41 of Neugebauer and Weidner's study:

    The end of the line is completed, according to Obv. 5; Rev. 6, etc. The halo with a 22° radius around the sun and moon is meant by tarbasu (see Weidner, Beitr. z. Assyriol. VIII, 4, p. 81f.; Kugler, Sternkunde II, p. 99ff.). Halo observations are mentioned quite often in our text. Obv. 3, 5; Rev. 3, 8 report on halos around the sun; Rev. 6, 7, 14, 15 on halos around the moon. The latter are particularly important; indeed, as it is regularly stated which stars and constellations were seen in the halo, an important clue is given for identifying them by approximately fixing the limits.

    Lunar halos can also help in pinpointing the date. If a lunar halo is 22 deg. in radius and the objects mentioned as falling within it actually fall outside of it, then there is a mismatch with the stated details on the tablet.

    With the Feb. 17, 567 BC date, we find that the Pleiades, i.e. the object furthest from the Moon, is slightly less than 20 deg. away (CdC calculation). In contrast, if the date were to be revised to Feb. 27, 587 BC (assuming the new month began sunset Feb. 22), then the Pleiades would fall outside the 22 deg. halo perimeter at just over 29 deg. away, and therefore at odds with the tablet's information.

    There are larger, fainter 46 deg. radius halos too, but the Babylonians used a different word to describe those and they are rarer. Astronomical Diaries and Related Texts, Vol. I says on p. 33:

    “TÙR ‘halo’

    Akk. tarbasu ‘pen, fold’. … The larger type of halo called supuru is not so far attested in diaries.”

    See also CAD, Vol. 15, p. 398 and Vol. 18, p. 221-2.

    Consequently, it is the word tarbasu describing the common 22° halo which is used in VAT 4956.

  • Londo111
    Londo111

    Thanks, Jethro and Ann! I've greatly benefitted from the research from both of you these last two years.

    For any who are looking for more information about 607, here is the link to the main series:

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/257113/1/A-Video-Series-about-607-BC-vs-587-BC

  • Jeffro
    Jeffro

    Thanks, Jethro

    (You're welcome, but that's not my name.)

  • Londo111
    Londo111

    Oops. Sorry! I was mowing the lawn today. I think the heat must've zapped my brain.

  • Jeffro
    Jeffro

    Londo:

    Oops. Sorry! I was mowing the lawn today. I think the heat must've zapped my brain.

    I'll forgive you. Maybe.

  • Calebs Airplane
    Calebs Airplane

    viewing later

  • Londo111
    Londo111

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtvQ2LTEcSs

    This is a more general overview of astronomical tablets and VAT 4956. This is a stab at addressing some of the 'objections' a few have in regard VAT 4956 and touches on the issue of honesty, without calling anybody out directly by name.

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